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Face The Nation, for October 8. It has been one week since Stephen Paddock opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers in Las Vegas -- killing 58 -- and going down as the worst mass shooting in modern American history. Following the tragedy -- Congress is once again debating on how to legislate gun control. Meanwhile -- National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre says the government should do a better job of enforcing existing gun laws. An analysis of these stories and more on this week's "Face the Nation."


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Today on face the nation in the fourth hurricane to hit the US in less than two months pounds the Gulf Coast. Nation's top diplomat tries to make peace with the commander in chief. And America mourns the victims of the deadliest mass shooting me in the country's history while asking what can be done to prevent the next one. Hurricane Nate floods highways and parking lots and leaves more than 100000 without power we'll have the latest from Biloxi Mississippi. Meanwhile in Washington this week a great mystery unfolded when president trump hinted at a different kind of storm on the horizon. Is. Could he be referring to possible military action in North Korea. Ditching the Iran nuclear agreement. Or could it be plans to fire secretary of state Rex Tillerson who reportedly privately referred to the president as a moron. Over the weekend the president suggested Tillerson is job was safe. But like in the field. And in Las Vegas investigators are still trying to determine Stephen how to act motive for killing 58 people. And wounding close to 500. And we'll preview what they told CBS news's sixty minutes on his meticulous planning. He had written the distance. That elevation he was on the drop on what is bullet is gonna be so mean nowhere shouldn't it is part. Lawmakers in Washington called for new gun control measures after the attack. We'll talk with the national rifle association's Chief Executive Officer Wayne not care. And longtime advocate for stricter gun laws senator Dianne Feinstein. And from college football please join us now at a moment of silence. To recognize that 58 souls we got lost to Saturday Night Live. The nation honors the victims of the Rampage. Will have our own words of tribute. All that and plenty of political analysis ahead on face the nation. Good morning and welcome to pace the nation we want to begin this morning with mark Strauss man who is in Biloxi Mississippi. Mark Nate was a hurricane hit Gulf Coast and has now been downgraded to a tropical storm how bad is the initial damage and is the worst over. Good morning John well this is the called after the storm that was eight Nate came ashore whether it's 85 mile per hour winds in the dead of night. As predicted that the major worry it was storm surge up to eleven feet was forecast. And flooding. Poured into the city's casinos and that was one issue. But the good news is that nobody was reported hurt or killed but in four states 100000. People have lost power. John this was such a fast moving storm that the clean up here in Biloxi has already begun. So mark where is the storm headed next. Alabama Mississippi Georgia in fact John much of the deep south is gonna have a very soggy Sunday. Mark Strauss went for us in Biloxi thanks mark. We turn now to the deadly mass shooting in Las Vegas senator Dianne Feinstein joins us from San Francisco senator years supporting a bill that would. Ban these font fire stocks do you have any Republican support for that now. We have Republican interests I have nobody lined up. We have 38 co sponsors the rolled democratic. We've had individuals that have indicated an interest and particularly for a hearing. The NRA and put out a statement on Thursday suggesting they would support looking into new regulations that would keep these bonfire stocks from being. Sold what did you make of that position. Well I thought that's a step forward and it's appreciate it's appreciated. Regulations aren't going to do it we need a law. It can't be changed by another president right now we're seeing one president change actions of lists of president that came before him. And that would happen in this area and I hope that Americans will step up and say enough is enough congress to do something. What do you make of the increase sales of bonfire stocks in the wake of the shooting a man now legislation. T I don't know what to make of it. And he what this event said. Said that this is a well to do man he wasn't mentally ill. He wasn't a criminal. He wasn't a juvenile he wasn't a gang banger. And he was able to buy forty weapons over a period of time. Have twelve bonds stocks line them up breakthrough to windows in his hotel suite. And take aim. That tens of thousand well I guess we did over a thousand people. At a concert. And this was such a cross section of America. That it really struck at every one of us that this could happen to you and we want to stop it. Could there have been any law passed that would have stopped him. No obvious he he passed. Background checks registering for handguns and other weapons. On multiple occasions. One of the things that's been a part of this debate is some people right after. This massacre called for more gun regulation said something must be done claimed the NRA and what gun rights advocates heard is they heard that. That call for something to be done and what makes what they heard and that is people essentially saying we won a ban semiautomatic weapons. Well that's just plain wrong. This is written in clean and English you can take a look at it I'll send a copy of it it's a two page bill. I'll send a copy of it to anyone who calls our office and you can look at it yourself it does not take anyone's guns. From the other side those who would like to restrict guns in America who here bill. Targeted as you've described it narrowly at this idea at that bonfire stocks and say. The only way to stop this kind of as situation America is to ban these kinds of semiautomatic weapons and weapons that can fire with. Rapidity and anything short of that is insufficient what do you say to those people. I agree with them to a great extent. What I don't know because I as you know I did the assault weapons legislation in 1993. Which was a law of the land for ten years so I believe I mean I've watched this thing from the Texas bell tower to today. In schools and businesses and workplaces. No one is being appears to be safe anywhere. Let me ask your question and you get your thoughts on another piece of legislation an area mansion in in in response to this. The shooting they've talked about passing that concealed carry reciprocity which essentially allows somebody you as a concealed carry permit one state to carry it throughout all other states the way sales driver's license would work. What's your opinion of of that bill which is in the senate. Well my opinion of that bill is it's terrible we want every American to feel comfortable packing it concealed weapons around the country. Ira percent forty million Californians. And I can say without hesitation. Californians do not want concealed carry. If they say though that this is a right protected in about a Second Amendment of the constitution. Why is it that California who gets to deny people the exercise of that right. Well I don't believe it is protected by the constitution. To conceal it. Without a permit. Well in this case they would say if you had a permanent ones state. Then that permit would be honored by the other states again like to say hello to land a license would be for driving. I'm saying that the state I represent would not want any part of that nor should any American. You just make the situation worse. You let somebody with a weapon who may do you harm get close to you letting why would you want that. Let me switch here tonight they're topic free which is these Senate Intelligence Committee working you've been dying chairman berm that committee said that the question of collusion between the Russians trying to influence the election. And the trump campaign was still an open question. Is that because there's more disclosures that suggests it's a possibility or just because nothing's been found yet and it's an open question because there's no proof that it's happened. I think the latter is an open question because there's no proof yet that does happen. And hand I think that's proof will likely come. With mr. Mahler investigations. He's got the ability to use a grand jury he's got the ability to use a power subpoena. Without question and he's got the bit AD ability to do. 888. A criminal investigation. And that's what's going on and I think that's where the information will come what happens in a political body. And I am finding this as the ranking member on the Judiciary Committee. Everything has to be negotiated. With the party in power and it's very difficult to do an investigation. Under those circumstances. Final question senator. The president is is thingy about. Congress you can sanction Iran again. Or add new sanctions which would break the deal. If if congress did not saying the deal would essentially remain intact what do you think the appetite is in congress for more sanctions. On our on. Well I'll tell you this John yesterday or day before yesterday now in the Senate Judiciary Committee. We had a very complete intelligence briefing on Iran. There is no question but that Iran has complied. With the strictures. Of the deal. And when it either IAEA. Found something or anyone else found something it was quickly remedied. If there was a glitch so they have cooperated. I think 100%. The greatest ramifications from this would be. To really create a crisis with North Korea. Because it would give North Korea reason to believe well nothing the Republicans do can you trust when you have. And the United Kingdom France. Germany. Russia. China and the United States all agreeing. To support something and then the United States goes through an election the new president pulls us out. What does that say. All right senator Feinstein thanks so much for being with us thank you John. Joining us now is the executive vice president and CEO of National Rifle Association went up here. Welcome. Back to senator Feinstein wants legislation to ban bonfire stocks what's the NRA position on the you know can I say first that this not tragic week and we had NRA members out there in the middle of that tragedy we had generate families we had families wounded out there. It's just been horrible but for the people there trying to politicize this tragedy I would say this. There are monsters like this monster out there every day there are menaces out there every day. People wanna be able to protect himself that's why they supports this freedom. All the elites that have been speaking out this past week they all wanna protect themselves if they all protect himself with the armed security. I mean they they criticized the NRA have you wanna talk about irresponsible use of firearms. The number one. Person teaching irresponsibly use of firearms is is all these elites employer. The Hollywood television gaming industry we spend millions teaching response pleased of firearms. They make billions every single day John teaching irresponsible use of firearms they're so hypocritical it's unbelievable. But is it really you know we positioned for a person to think if there is evil in the world. Perhaps there should be something that makes a little harder for the evil person to get their hand on something they can fire bullets. With such rapidity and then bonfire stocks which make it a bit available file and even fast that's not elite that's just somebody trying to figure out how to have less people be dead. What do think this I mean if we can legislate morality we've had done a long ago I mean as we talked before Paris wouldn't happen they outlaw fully automatic guns Brussels. Samberg Dino Californians every gun long nervous on it still happens I'm in the bad people could care. But on on bomb stocks let me say this. The fact is that that is there. The Obama administration a couple of years ago legalize the device there ATF. It was the line between semi automatics and fully automatics. And if we're able to flaws that line. All semi automatics are written our risk I'd been arguing for Dianne Feinstein for years has been trying to be a semi autos. Saying a semi autos is semi auto semi Ottawa Ottawa it's not an assault weapon like you say die and signed fine. And it's not a machine gun but he knew it if you fuzz the lying there all at risk and we're not gonna let that happen. Well let's let's not cause the line she says this specific piece of legislation just fans bomb. Fire stocks of Louisiana our support that are now. The ATA it's illegal to converted semi automatic to fully automatic ATF needs to do its job they need to look at this and do its job or argument is in the eight chances they can't rule on this it's out of their purview that it has to be done in legislation so is easy and our position can't be done through legislation or you oppose it where are you know we think ATF ought to do its job look at this and and draw bright line if I'm a Republican and I'm a Fannie and our day to I want to say no or yes to legislation that justice. I think you wanna tell ATF to do its job is to conservative issue at need to get the job done that Ed but not led Dianne Feinstein which is what she wants to do. Turn this all in this some Christmas tree. On the hill where she brings all her anti gun well circuit she's been trying to do for years and this here's the under is here's the problem people happen the matter is they hear you saying that NB they say. When mr. lab here is trying to do is tell any gun. Owner. That any measure to regulate guns on any kind is really an effort to take their guns away therefore they should be fearful that you basically trying to scare them. We have all kinds ago laws on the books right now John we don't enforce any obvious somebody wanted to do something about Chicago in force the federal gun laws right now. Felon touches a gun five years imprisoned drug dealer tended to want me the criminal gang member tended to want AME Dianne Feinstein the universal checked she's been talking about this last week. There's not a gang member in Chicago that's gone hey I'm gonna get you but first I have to go through Dianne feinstein's background check and yes it's nonsense. Believe sipping back to Larry is Ian Aaron position that you're okay with the current restrictions against fully automatic. We have supported the existing law and fully automatic firearms and what we don't want is we don't want. The line to be flies because if you fuzz align your putting every semi automatic firearm for years. And I've corrected Dianne Feinstein over and over and over when she says assault weapons they're fully automatic guns I said they're not. But if somebody fuzz this align your putting every semi automatic firearm at risk but to be fair to senator Feinstein she and puzzle line in the conversation we just had she was actually part perhaps because over the years you have come out on the winning end of these arguments. Said that this only deals with these one specific bonfire stocks and in this case the line is not being thoughts. Well I mean the goods that the fact is the bomb stock does for us a line now and that's why ATF needs to do his job but we really need to get back I mean if and do something let's do something meaningful. I mean the outrage they're trying to stir against the NRA they ought to be stirring gets a mental health system which is completely collapsed. All the police officers know what they're back on the streets we've dumped it on the police officers. We ought to enforce the federal gun laws and do something about our criminal justice system which is catch and release. Places like DC or second chance cities while the second chance is taken out against the good guys have you talked present trumpet and it's. You know I have not I think some people in our I have talked to talk the administration but we have let them know where we stand. But but it comes down day at 2 AM if your glass breaks the middle of the night. There's not a government authority on the planet as substitutes for your right to own a firearm people wanted to be able to protect himself when they cross the state line. That's why we're fighting for reciprocity. It's about the good guys protecting themselves and ask you about reciprocity. Federalism suggest the states should make airlines 32 states I think it said they don't want reciprocity why should the federal government come in and tell the states what to do. Well 42 states now have good care laws and the fact is I don't think those states have a problem with their folks protecting themselves when they cross the state lineman you. The honest people. Nobody should be forced to face evil we've we've within the hands and the fact is we don't want the honest people crossing a state line somebody it ought to be in jail. Inflicting Eva Lotta men in the honest person going all known not mean that's their last wards the people from the other side see this and they say why they are. He is so easy get very lethal weapons is that just the price of freedom in your view. Criminals could care less I mean you know accessibility. Is about accessibility for the good guys that's what the second amendment's all about. As I've said all along the only thing this bouts of bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a guy's case no good guys who have done I mean you have members of the band saying if they pulled out there weapons he referred to were they get shot well the odds are in Las Vegas the first thing I heard people say when they sheltered in place as somebody said hey do you wanna gun. I mean it does anybody have a gun too easy when he went would have helped in Las Vegas. Hi again and finally good guys with guns got there and the guy killed himself first but thank god there were good guys with guns and on the way. I mean Dianne Feinstein wants this utopian world without done she said if I can go door to door and pick them all by what. But the fact is in that utopian world. What what to. Every time bad happens evil happens it's good guys with guns to stop it on and we're out of time thanks so much and thanks John thanks for having me. On tonight's sixty minutes the Las Vegas police officers who stormed gunman Stephen addicts hotel room speak in depth. For the first time with correspondent bill Whitaker and reveal what they found. I didn't notice a a note on the nightstand. Near work is shooting platform I could see on it yet Britain the distance. The elevation he was on the drop of what is bowl it was going to be. For those before that crowd so he had had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot him his partner's from there. What were the numbers of destroyed did he eat he was done calculations. Or yes he had written must have done the calculations are gone online or something figured out. What his altitude was going to be. On how Ohio he was how far up the crowd was going to be and what it at that distance what does drop of this bowl it was going to be. We're joined now by former Homeland Security advisor to George W. Bush and CBS news national security analyst Fran Townsend. And former FBI profiler Mary Ellen O'Toole marionette wanna start review you heard about those careful calculations. Stephen paddock took what does that say to you about how careful his planning was what does that tell you about it. Tells me two things he wanted to know to be found. He's very meticulous in in the planning. And to carry that down to recording the exact distances. Between him and the ground between him and the targets I think. It it really is very telling about how detailed he wants. Fran. At the end of last year DHS and FBI did a threat assessment they talked about when wolf shooters and they talked about. The fact that there were soft targets the ability to hit civilians and one thing they listed in the in the catalog here was the ability to inflict significant casualties with weapons that do not require specialized knowledge access or training. And they mentioned the shooting in Orlando and San Bernardino how much our guns a part of the Homeland Security picture. That this is a tremendous problem you know while I think the legislation that Dianne feinstein's talking about. On bonfire stocks doesn't go far enough right you need to prohibit the purchase the sale and possession of these umpire stocks. But we're not talking about the single greatest factor than it it is in the lethality. Which is these high capacity ammunition magazines. That's what allows you did it to fire many bullets before reloading. Lit literally the empirical evidences from those are the single greatest factor when you use that kind of a weapon. It increases early balloting 300%. And so. And in states where they banned these high capacity magazines. They've reduced the likelihood of a man shooting by 63%. So if we really wanna have an impact what you need to do is stop. The high at the access to these high capacity ammunition magazines. Mean I only have about forty seconds left Eaton what does it tell you was profoundly that somebody. Who purchases a lot of guns over a period of time or buys this much ammunition going what does that tell you. Well it tells me that there's a real fascination with weapons especially if it if it covers a broad broad array of weapons. And if you compounded that with someone who also has a fascination with violence. And who remains on manifests certain personality traits which we saw on the crime scene that's have very lethal combination. Right we're gonna have to hold it right there will be back with more of this conversation and my thoughts on hold after tragedy statements. Like what you're hearing getting in more great contents from CBS news radio podcasts. Listen to TV broadcasts like the evening news and face the nation on demand or hear original audio programming like our week in review show the weekend roundup. Get politics policy decided pop culture with White House correspondent Major Garrett on our newest show that take out. Get these podcasts and more from apple buy gas stitcher Spotify. Org Google play today. After a tragedy like the shooting in Las Vegas so much of our focus stays on the killer especially since we don't know the motive. This keeps the trauma fresh and has the perverse effect of keeping the inhuman act before our eyes and just the time when reminders of our humanity is what we need. Whether we were directly affected by the shooting or not. So let's stare for a moment and some of the acts of selflessness humanity and bravery in Las Vegas. Marine veteran Taylor Winston took a stranger truck drove victims to the hospital and returned to the shooting to do it again. Jonathan Smith led more than two dozen people to safety and was then saved by Tom McGrath and off duty officer. Who stops misleading when Smith was shot. Firefighter Steve Keyes was shot in the chest and wounded while performing CPR on another victim. Jack beaten and died shielding his wife of 23 years. On their anniversary. Some of these people dedicated their lives to helping others all the time in the military or as first responders war as volunteers. Others simply had a human instinct. Tragedy called an out but it was there before. We're surrounded by people who cultivate selflessness and generosity every day. And we can all honor the sense of common humanity we feel in the wake of this tragedy by kindling a similar spirit ourselves in our daily lives. After a tragedy we light candles to those who have died. But we can also carry a light into the world as well. As a tribute to those who no longer can. We continue our conversation with former Homeland Security advisor to George W. Bush and CBS news national security analyst Fran Townsend. And former FBI profiler Mary Allen O'Toole Fran I wanna start when you we were talking limit the availability. I'm Simeon a weapon automatic weapons. Is it terrorist threat yeah there have been al-Qaeda operatives are terrorists who have pointed this SE that the accessibility and. That's right and Don who is an American born al-Qaeda member released a video in 2011. Calling on al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda members and like minded terrorists in the United States to take advantage of US expect the accessibility to guns the United States. Frankly I think the authorities have been surprised myself included that that we've not seen more of this. But I would point out just this week authorities announced a 2016 plot in New York City where. Taking guns and shooting inside the New York City Subway system was an aspect of that plot so. You know it's not like al-Qaeda nicest and the terrorists don't watch what happens in the United States and the fact that a Las Vegas was not. Terrorist related doesn't mean that terrorists aren't watching the method of operation and considering it for their own. Planes so that you go to school on this essential absolutely. Mary Ellen let me ask you about the motive the fact that there is not one yet identified is that very curious to Ian. It is very curious but. We we may have to look at this a little bit differently and I what I mean by that is. There may not be an external trigger this Maine because it's so complicated and because it's so sensational. Extraordinary. That this. It may have been self triggered by him years ago somebody who did not want to be ordinary somebody who had a interest and in violence and collected guns this was a plan that he had in the works for years and he made the decision of when he would come. What acted out so we may be looking for the wrong thing. It may not have been externally triggered and that makes it harder to find out. If you were doing this what would you look for me. I'd be looking for I'd be going into interviews with other people really exploring his personality and not specifically looking for an external trigger. My week was that the hotel was it. Music industry I'd be exploring it in detail his personality. And looking to see whether or not if this really is someone who has psychopathic traits. That would explain a lot as well which is not a mental illness personality disorder you have a very lethal combination of an individual here. And I think unfortunately the general public really does misunderstand violence and who is capable office. Plan going forward big venue events what what what what can change to protect them. Well let's remember who aren't your current understanding is people as they entered the venue the 22000 at the concert we. They looked at the big exit wasn't as though there was no security the perimeter. But when you're talking about someone who plan to do it from outside the perimeter becomes much more difficult. I think what you'll see is in the United States hotels and complexes are gonna look at screening bags. Why could he get all of these guns and weapons up there a lot of weight a lot of ammunition. You know at the Mandalay bay there is a last security guard before you go up the elevator. Maybe you put screening near it's a big conflicts this is very complicated for large hotel complexes. But if complexes in Las Vegas immediately following like the wind actually did institute screening. So is your view that this hotels. They sing and have to make this in new part of their operating procedure you know. I think the people are gonna look at that I think it's former likely John I think frankly what we ought to do is look at the the actual root cause of the problem which is these high of these high capacity ammunition magazines and deal with it at that level as opposed imposing a problem. On the hotels and their guests. All right we'll Marion and quickly what would you be asking girlfriend. I would be asking her to just open ended questions to tell me about his personality tell me what it was like when you travel with him. Tell me what it was like when the two of you were alone at home just walk me through your dinner walk me and not. I'm not hamper screening anything she tells me all screen at you just tell me what life was like with him and just get her into a narrative it's all right thanks so much from them. And thanks to both. Joining us now from Culver City, California is Adam when Clark law professor at the University of California Los Angeles and the off author of gun fight. A history of the debate over gun control. The story and I want to start with the idea a narrow question and we're gonna broadening out senator Feinstein said she could think of no law that would have stopped this. I'm massacre in Las Vegas is that the way it looks to you as well. Well it looks like that although maybe Dianne Feinstein should it take a little credit she proposed to ban these bonfire stocks in 2012. And in 2013. With proposals that where went nowhere in congress so. Perhaps these devices could have been taken off the market before hand although that probably would not have stopped the shooting itself. May have limited some of the damage. Let's step back and we are focused as we have to be on the specifics of this event and on the details of now on this possible piece of legislation what questions aren't we asking what's the larger context here that we should be thinking about as we think about these issues. Well I think what we should be thinking about as a little less about mass shootings you know they get all of the attention with regards to the gun violence problem. But who constitute only a small fraction of the casualties every year. You know the gun violence takes up 33000 lives and how about a 100000 gunshot victims every year. This is mostly as the result of suicide and criminal misuse of guns. Far short of mass shootings rationing is our problem that are very difficult to solve but we can't make some headway lowering the daily death hole. From ordinary unlocked. In trying to do that in addressing other mass shootings or the daily told that you talk about clash between rights heats up quickly. Is there are smarter way to think about it I mean it's people get frustrated both by the rush to legislation and then on the other side the fact that there is no legislation that passes. I'll give us your sense from history. How this can be addressed in a way that might be a little more effective. The one thing we need to recognize first and foremost is that the Second Amendment is not what's preventing us from having good and effective gun control laws. On the second amendment's been part of our constitution heritage for a long time it does protect an individual's right to have guns for personal protection. However the courts have always held that gun control laws short of disarmament are constitutionally permissible. And indeed the Supreme Court only read the Second Amendment to provide an individual rights authoritative Lee in 2008. Clearly we had this gun problem in 2007 before hand so the answer is not. Repealing the Second Amendment as some have called for. I don't think that's the right way to think about it historically we've always had the right to bear arms but we've also always had gone control. What's happened is we've lost that sense of balance believing that we need to have either gun control or gun rights but can't have them vote. In the case in which they've this being court found an individual right Antonin Scalia as often quoted in that case saying that there are limits is it is this really the for the the court's given that the poll politics. On this is so. Frozen is this really summing the Supreme Court is still weigh in on our that the courts need to weigh on to reach this balance that you're talking about. While the courts won't reach the balance unless we do so and the why I say that because. The courts can't proposed new gun control laws and they're not going to issue some kind of remedial order. And mandating congress banned bombs stocks congress has to take that initiative itself. I feel many people are very distant power in the gun debate today they feel like nothing's gonna change but I really do think it is a matter of electoral politics that. On the NRA is a very very strong fighting force causes a lot of single issue pro gun voters who support the NRA's. Candidates when they endorse them in primary and general elections. I'm gun control advocates who are frustrated probably need to focus a little bit more on mobilization. I'm getting themselves more politically forceful so that they can combat the NRA and no single issue pro gun voters. Let me get your ruling on the question of concealed carry reciprocity. You've heard that you use. What's what's the legal read this and that and the federal legislation that's being proposed in the senate. Well there's two different kinds of national reciprocity legislation we should keep them separate. The NRA is proposing a law that would allow say a Utah resident to come to California on her on tourism for vacation or for business. And Kerry they're gone in accordance with that permit but there's also versions of reciprocity that are have been proposed in congress. That would allow California residents to get a permit and you taught by online without ever having going the talk and then carrying the gun in California. That would completely undermined the self determination and local control. Over concealed carry that states and cities have traditionally. Obama used but so it depends on which version of reciprocity we're really talking about which has a better shot legally do you think. Well I think actually legally it's much stronger for the NRA to propose a law that allows you talk resident to come to California. Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce I don't think it would be a significant Second Amendment problem with that. It's a little bit more challenging to say that as a matter of interstate commerce congress can mandate that California residents be able to get a permit somewhere else and carry those guns around. All right Adam link and thank you so much for being with us and we'll be right back. And check out CBS news radio podcast yeah. Some are used to features there's lots available from our apt. Listen to experts like John Dickerson eat Sunday on face the nation for Anthony Mason every week night on the CBS evening news. The world news round up America's longest running network use gas and the weekend wrap up our week in review magazine show. It's all available from CBS news radio dot com. For half an hour hour. Ohio west. Android. We turn now to our politics panel Susan Page is the Washington bureau chief for USA today. Premise for Nauru is the senior editor of the national review and a columnist for Bloomberg view. We're also joined by New York Times op Ed columnist David Lee and art and the editor in chief of the Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg Jeffrey on the start with the U. This legislation will hear me go narrow first before we brought now that the legislation for bonfire stocks in the senate what do you make of its prospects given the conversation we've had here between. Senator Feinstein and and Wayne Lapierre who seems to want it not to go through congress. Look much in my 8 I am sorry I was immediately go wide and in that note that the pattern generally speaking after massacres done massacres in America is to loosen gun laws not to tighten gun restrictions. Given the dysfunctional senate given everything else do we know about the way too but this has been polling I don't have much hope. Four. I wouldn't have much hope of our supporter of that. I mean the broader the broader point is that it's again. Probably mainly in the realm of space symbolic. Gesture toe word toward a solution. We always talk about these issues way at the margins. I admire Fran Townsend his position on on on. Large ammo clips but. That debt that is not the root cause of our problem here in these these technical issues which are also some accountable by garage. The home garage mechanics. That these are not an idea that these don't deal with what we're talking about. Rimage part of what. Politically is happening is there is as they pointed out over at 538 there is no better predictor of your position. Not gender not race not with kids and if we if you own a gun in terms of whether you're Republican or Democrat that this has become. Cultural beyond the specifics. You know and the clips or bonfires stocks. Well it is a polarizing issue. But it's also an issue on which all the intensity is on one sided debate. That is there are a lot more people who vote solely on the basis of guns who are pro gun and it is skeptical of regulation. Then our on the other side and one of the reasons you have that lack of intensity. On the side of people who want to regulations. Is that so few of the regulations. Would plausibly make any difference. So you you you know less Jeff was suggesting. The types of things that we can think about doing like an assault weapons ban won't make much of the difference in the things that might make a difference would be. Really extreme things like gun confiscation that would raise their own set of in tremendous practical problems that leaves us at an impasse. Susan what what do you think in terms of the Democratic Party having to keep this. This intensity up and I also on the piggyback a question that which is that according to gallop one and four Democrats support. Concealed carry laws do you think it's a litmus test in the Democratic Party. In other words if you support could consume carried is that run you out of the Democratic Party than. Here's the Democrats haven't quite if you look let's tell the and I would say their other litmus test to come before. This is particularly missed test and I thought the most shocking thing politically about this terrible and the aftermath of this. Terrible and president shooting is that we are not at all shocked that it is not likely that anything happened. Our government is likely knew nothing. In response to this to pass no additional gun laws and that and that we'll have the same all part of it we've had before. And one reason is just plain politics that if you have six. Democratic senators running for reelection in states that truck carried that are written red states. They are not going to be enthusiastic about taking on this issue so you end up just saying you know it's only been days but does anyone expect anything to happen. David what do you make of argument for gun control activists. And many different people put forward which is essentially after the San Bernardino shooting. Candidate Donald Trump called for Muslim man and then suggested profiling muscle might be united Sony's argument was we can we can impinge upon rights for the purposes of safe from yet gun control activists felt like when they talked about trying to limit the rights of the Second Amendment for the purposes of safeties they were. Group criticized for politicizing things how how give me your sense of those arguments I think one of the things. I am as pessimistic about gun control legislation passing as everyone else here or optimistic for the sake of gun rights advocates. I'm but I do think this debate has shifted a little bit and I think we saw in the wake of Las Vegas. That we immediately went to the policy conversation and in the past there were gun control advocates who actually did hold back a little bit. And and and listen to this don't politicize the tragedy and I think they now feel like these mass shootings are happening often enough. That is okay to immediately go out you some members of congress do it and say we need to do things that doesn't mean things are gonna happen but I do actually think. This this particular episode. Has moved the debate ever so slightly to left. Where you see the NRA having to it admits some openness to regulation and you immediately seen the policy. Discussion. I think we're gonna. Hit it from that policy discussion to us and other news of the week Susan what is your sit the sense of what's happening with the secretary of state and. Costs. I don't think this marriage can be saved I think calling your boss. A moron is probably a firing offense in any workplace and especially when your bosses as sensitive to criticism. As dump somebody home you're more on regularly yeah. CBS is much more forgiving these and they. In and the and it and is not as a Rex Tillerson has defenders and any other sector. Among the foreign policy specialist in Miami he's been completely under that you know it's here's a remarkable thing you know is what it was a one week ago. Almost to this moment. The head Donald Trump tweeted that it was ridiculous for extortion Domingo engage in diplomacy. With North Korea cutting LA soffit Tillerson and then we find out that they were prior to that source and refer to has more on. What in what world does this man continue these secretary of state. He was cutting his lends us and unless you believe that they're playing bad cop good cop except that. Nobody believes that gasoline those people that well I think in other words it's it's the Nixon madman theory Kissinger goes to the Chinese and say I'd like to make a deal would you but my boss is crazy but but that whole madman theory of diplomacy is predicated on the idea that. The madman is actually Matt. If Tillerson and trump had eight had a functional relationship you could see one playing a tougher role when playing a soft coral but here. At all the reporting suggesting that they just don't like each other and so it's not a coordinated. Diplomatic gambit to get the Chinese to do answer the north brings into why. Also I don't think you can never madman theory work if you're actually trying to negotiate with the man man. In North Korea I think that makes it quite. Dangerous from us you Rhode earth are you see it set I believe that Tillerson was Charlie doomed to failure once he couldn't pick his own deputy what did you mean by. Well he reportedly wanted to have Elliott Abrams be the deputy secretary of state and that was Vito. By the White House because Abrams had been critical or been perceived to be highly critical of trump. After he won the Indiana primary. And I think that if you can't staff your own team you can't pick your highest level people. The year effectiveness is just limited it is. We have had many secretaries of state with a difficult relationships with present without secretaries of state who don't enjoy the confidence of the State Department staff. This is the secretary of state group who's got both problems and that leads to the Susan was suggesting without a constituency. And it's not just a question of can he keep on in this job it's also questioned what good is he doing mr. And it's particularly worrisome right now because of what we see in the rest of the world I mean we need the State Department. On North Korea and Iran. Precisely because it's a moment where diplomacy has that has the opportunity to cool some of these deeply worrisome global hotspots. Let's Rand and senator worker. This week it David said that that secretary Tillerson secretary menace and chief of staff Kelly. Are all that separate our country from chaos right. So I don't. Adams did which is pretty extraordinary thing furry. Chairman of the fact is the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is set. Any got it got an offer to walk it back in the declined to walk a backe stick with that in the and we see tweets is warning from the president. That blasting at Corcoran who lots remind ourselves is a Republican chairman of the senate foreign relations. Committee scrimmage fed blasting him saying this from the president senator Bob Parker quote unquote begged me to endorse him for reelection in Tennessee I said no and he dropped out. Do you want to antagonize your Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman with fifteen half Munson to go in the John. Well that was certainly T senator co workers to raise doubts about Trump's fitness for office. Last glut. It is not I think a strategic playing by the president I think it is a pew wore. Frustration move that day he sought senator coworker saying critical things and he does what he does which is. Flash back regardless of whether it serves any particular interest. Jeffrey it's two things that I'd like to get your view on the president said that there's just one thing to do in North Korea presumably any military it will how do you read that and then secondarily there's also reports the president will decertified. Iran and in terms of the use nuclear agreement with Iran right now and so so these are bad both link these are these inextricably linked arm. 21 would think that when you're in eight nuclear confrontation with the potential mad man. You wouldn't want to open up a whole other can of worms win another potential nuclear power and other rogue state ran it like to sequence this. Furthermore if you decertified. The Iran deal right now you are suggesting to not only our allies but rogue states and North Korean particular. That America will not hold two nuclear agreements is very very slim chance obviously to get to a nuclear agreement North Korea this brings it down two to zero so where had a at a very strange moment and we're also at a moment when the president. Appears to be bluffing and that the rule of of American presence the American presence in these areas is that you don't block off whenever you bluff it usually turns out to be disaster that's states. If he's not bluffing any saying that we're going to war were North Korea's and one that's. Another whole issue but it to me that big a single question is is not what any of us think about that kind of state. Mean it's it's how are in the north Koreans interpreting this we don't understand how they think we don't understand what they understand and don't understand about our system. This in this is again one noted it is the case in which Twitter ate at an errant tweet can lead to a nuclear exchange. Didn't let me switch to domestic efforts. The president the edge called Chuck Schumer tried that. Are tweeting about anyway there is trying to make a deal with the intern Schumer on health care senator Schumer of the republic and democratic leader in the senate and if it's repeal and replace there's no conversation. The presence on the issue an executive order this week what's he up to one on health care anything. I find it worrisome and so it's highly technical. But basically what it looks like six executive orders know what people do is buy into something sword called association health plans. And those will be relatively unregulated so they could it basically offer bare bones and struts that wouldn't cover things like giving birth to it wouldn't cover certain analysts. And so what you then how would have is healthy people would buy that kind of insurance driving up the price of insurance for all the sick people who remain elsewhere. It is what any slap at who used to run Medicare is called synthetic repeal. It is a step to try to undermine health insurance market in this backdoor way through executive orders and I find it quite worse. So romance the idea is basically repealing or it's just repeal. And no work no replaces that it is now in the way you see that's. Well I think that the Obama administration handed a lot of tools to the trump administration in this regard because they did things like. Hand out all these hardship exemptions for example to the individual mandate. You did that present can now be relied upon by the time administration to hand out more. Such exemptions and neuter the individual and so there are a range of regulatory actions. That the tribe administration can take years to undermine obamacare to try to may be forced Democrats to the table. I'm sure that that is one of the things that they're thinking about when they contemplate these actions and then finally see. And on the question democratic question Harvey Weinstein give a lot of money to Democrats at New York Times blockbuster story this week about a pattern of sexual abuse from him. Is this for the Democrats in a spot given how much monies given to the party and is there something democratic officials have to do to get. Under get out of that spot. I I think it I think it does I think that if you're gonna criticized. President trump for his remarks and Access Hollywood Kate if you've taken money from Harvey Weinstein you. Ought to give it to a charity or give it back hammered get it out your campaign coffers and you've seen several Democrats. Do that and it's been interesting and this is this is a political prom and it's that it's a cultural shift we've seen that in. In in politics we've seen it in in business we've seen in the news media. That behavior that's gone for decades. Is now unacceptable and women are increasingly women willing. To speak up about it. That's the last word. That's it for us today thanks for watching join us next Sunday when astronauts got Kelly joins us to discuss endurance stories from his record breaking year in space. Until then her face the nation I'm John person today guess where senator Dianne Feinstein and NRA CEO and executive vice president went in there. 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