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Again and stand today all day long in the car on my way to work heading home listening online keeps you in touch will you work at top thirteen seventy dot com get a ring no top thirteen seventy anywhere and I include their bread slice. Today on face the nation as the first milestone approaches for president trump he ups the workload. Are returning to congress and health care tax reform and avoiding a government shut down. Sprint to the end of the 100 days began on Heine. With traditional White House pomp and pageantry plus. A basket full of promises. Probable that it could be great. Good health care in fact there have been. What happens. The particular but there is a rush to get congress to agree on funding to keep the government running past mr. Trump's 99 day. Florida Republican Marco Rubio will join us. Along with the person you polled say is the most popular politician in America. Trying to help the Democratic Party find itself. Republican John Casey has a new book out two paths in America divided or united. He'll tell us about it and we'll hear from Homeland Security secretary John Kelly. As always we'll have plenty of political analysis. It's all ahead on face the nation. Good morning and welcome to face the nation I'm John Dickerson. We'll get to this week's news in a moment but first we wanna tell you about next week's broadcast. Saturday marks the official 100 day of the trump administration and will be spending that day with the president. We'll interview him at the White House and then travel with him to a rally in Pennsylvania. The first part of our interview will air on face the nation next Sunday and the rest on CBS this morning on Monday may first. That broadcast will originate live from the White House. Along with our interview Charlie Rose Gayle king and Norah O'Donnell will be talking with top administration officials. About the first 100 days and looking ahead to the next 100. But first congress is going to need to agree on how to fund the government for the rest of the year or will run out of money on day 99. We begin this morning with Republican senator Marco Rubio who joins us from Miami good morning senator I wanna start with that government shut down the fight. From the White House perspective is over funding for the border wall. Is that an issue worth fighting over right now we have a government shut down is a possible. Is a possibility. Well first understand what is trying to finish out the current cycle the current budget year and so I think that's a fight worth having a conversation and debate worth having. For 2018 and if we can do some of that now that be great. But we cannot shut down the government right now we have a potential crisis brewing with the North Korea we've seen what's going on the ongoing crisis in Syria. We don't know what the outcome of the French election is going to be effective potentially throw the European Union and NATO alliances with some level of consternation. The last thing we can afford to send a message to the world that the United States government by the way is only partially functioning. I mean that would just have catastrophic impact in my view are certainly very destabilizing I should say. Impact on global affairs and so we should keep that in mind going into this week. Let me pick up on North Korea I'll ask you questions sent to me by a source in the middle of the country you sent me a note in just said. Are we going to war with North Korea. I hope not are obviously we have to outskirts of the very fundamental question and that is is an acceptable can we eliminate world or Kim Jung known possesses not just nuclear weapons. But the ability to deliver those weapons against the continental United States can we live in a world like that. If the answer is yes that I suppose let me know you there's all sorts of things we would not do it the answer is no. Then the options and the answer is no for me. Then the options before you are truly quite limited and I'm an immigrant. I know none of those options are good but it is my view at the end of the day that we must do almost whatever it takes just about anything. Diplomat Kim Jung known from acquiring a nuclear capability he can deliver against the mainland of the United States of America. So what is the end game there are senator is that. Removing all missiles mean what does what would be the best possible outcome. Well I think the best possible outcome would be that he walks away from his long range missile program we already know he has nuclear weapons the issue here is Kenny put it on a rocket and send it and hit the state of California Arizona. The middle of the country where you got that email from potentially Washington DC that is an unacceptable risk that cannot happen. Until the end game in the ideal one and in terms of the this showdown would be that he walks away from the long range missile program. If he continues to test them to be continues to make progress in that direction. And we've got a big problem. Senator is is there ratcheting up of conversation about North Korea that's taken place over the last several weeks is that merely because of the rhetoric and and then obviously the missile test in North Korea or as you understand it. Has the North Korean is North Korea closer to that Intercontinental ballistic. Missile well that there's no doubt they're closer and continue to get close and I you've seen some spectacular failures on the launches but that's always a part of moving forward. But possessing a long range missile. Is not technologically. Prohibitive for most countries in the world who were willing to dedicate the resources are dedicated to it. Yet understand the people of North Korea are starving to death they're literally people starving to death in North Korea. That government is putting virtually every dollar they have left over into the development of these long range missiles. And so ultimately if they want a long range missile and continue unabated and we do nothing about it they will acquire that capability. They potentially have some of that capability now and so how ultimately this is not something that's prohibitive and by the way it's. One of my big concerns about Iran as well they will follow the same track. Me ask you about president trump you had considerable reservations about his ability to handle this kind of an issue when you work a candidate. Do you have faith now on this sensitive and tricky issue that the president can handle. Well let me just say first why would never ultimately and a situation is critical of this club they're deliberately undermine any president. Suffice it to say that I do believe this president has taken this issue of North Korea with the seriousness it deserves. I quite frankly congratulate them and commend him for putting people around him that are capable of handling this issue alongside him giving them good advice. From everything I've heard and I know some people that were involved in those deliberations. When the president looked at the situation in Syria. They were very impressed of the questions he asked they were very impressive what his thought process and decision making process and that does give me greater confidence that we had a White House any president. Who was handling these foreign situations these national security situations in the appropriate way. The president got involved personally in the release of an aid worker who was being held in Egypt some people think that in part that release. Was a result of the fact that he was more accommodating towards the president of Egypt who's been accused of human rights abuses and other things. Can you what's your sense of that tension. That on the one hand it's productive but on the other hand some people think that being too close to the Egyptian president is not a good thing. Well look Egypt is an important that country in that region and we we need them to be successful on multiple fronts my concern over the Egypt has been that particular case that I had jobs. Where she was relation is that paid worker she had been improperly imprisonment should have been released the long time ago. Now it sounds and looks like the president raised the issue privately through back channels and in their meetings and it ended in the positive result. And he should be congratulated for that I have ongoing concerns and my big concern in Egypt is that the way they govern that country now. Under present LCC is going to lead to some sort of a violent class and some sort of potential overthrow and I destabilizing change in government. Because you cannot treat people this way and sustain it over the long hall that's said we do need to work with the Egyptian government hopefully urgent in the right direction especially long term. But also work put them to secure the Sinai to be a reliable partner against diocese and also to continue to be reliable partner against Hamas than those that threaten Israel. From Gaza. So all of these things are important and they're not mutually exclusive. And thought I think that this is a moment we need to stop and say whether he did it publicly or privately the president was successful at getting the release of an American. Improperly held abroad because you raise the issue he made it a priority. He made it a priority but he also. In the do you see any tension in the connection there are between new North Korea as for example just taken a US citizen a third being held in North Korea is do you think there's any signal that's sent to other countries. When. And aid worker can be released but then these human rights abuses people worried about don't get talked about so much. Well I talk about a all the time it's on my priorities and I others are wish to talk about a more but ultimately the release of this for our of their aid worker the American should not and anyway prohibit us from continuing to talk about the other human rights abuses that are occurring in Egypt. There is a difference between Egypt and North Korea number one Egypt is not developing nuclear weapons designed to strike the United States. Number two Egypt as a partner in the fight against vices in the fight against radical jihadist. There's a difference it's an ally the United States and a country we interact but that does not however mean that we cannot and should not publicly and privately as I did. When president LCC three weeks ago raise human rights concerns and we raise them because it's the right thing to do. But we also raise them because it's the right thing to do for him and for Egypt otherwise if you continue to abuse your population in the long term there what could be an uprising there will be government instability and that becomes the environment that breeds jihadist and radical. All right senator Marco Rubio thanks so much for me thank you. We want to welcome Homeland Security secretary John Kelly who joins us from Oceanside California. Following a tour of the US Mexican border mr. secretary I wanna start with the government which is going to run out of money next week. One of the items of debate is the president wants money for the border wall is a border wall so important right now that it's worth risking a government shut down. Well I certainly think could border on wall as essential as do almost everyone lives along the border. So yes I think it's certainly worth. Hard negotiation over we have tremendous threats. Whether it's drugs people potential terrorists coming up from the south and some type of a very effective barrier backed up by the brave and very effective manner women VHS. I believe is essential. Of all the possible solutions to deal with the illegal immigration problem is the for a while the number one thing you would pick. If you could pick any solution. Let's his is no you know silver bullet solution to any of this I really do wish. That the congress would really you join together in a bipartisan way and and again. Figure wrote. He's incredibly complex immigration laws. And make some decisions and how to deal with those who are here illegally. Illegally and in and and behaving themselves but border walls security wolf. Technology patrolling all of that's very effective but just as effective I think. And just as important. Is just helping. Produced the the amount of crime in Mexico and Central America because of the drug demand in our country that is really good. The number one fuel. Of the problems. Is this something him based on your tour there that the members of congress should CR should note to move a little faster on the legislation you like to see them putting forward. I don't think there's an awful lot that tickets sold very well and in Washington DC but if you commode here as I do here. Associated kicked the tires and maybe take a look beyond the dumpsters in and talked to the people whether they're actually doing the the work on the border they will tell you. That is the stated Customs and Border Protection people are these people. Local lower force when they will tell you. A wall of some type is an essential. To the work that they do that combined with. Policies inside the United States that no longer make it absolute that if you get here illegally via Wednesday might appeal to the folks and Mexico Central America a place like that is don't waste your money. And come here because we're gonna pick Q what I want to send you back call. On top of that this this network that they travel on is terribly terribly dangerous and abusive. To me this is a human rights issues. To keep people in their homes in their communities and Central America. In other parts of the world. Let me ask you about those who are here they've broken along by being in the United States illegally but they are not in the category is the president called them of of being bad dudes. The Washington Post says that that number of people who are just here illegally that a broken no other law has increased has doubled since the president has been in office. So it sounds like and in the end they don't fit in the category of bad dudes but they're being deported anyway. Where we are doing our business is that the vice officials will establish a local after targeted individuals. Develop target packages and go after I don't know if if people who are here illegally fall into our hands. Incidental to those to those not in talks as an example just yet there were talking to. Some ice agents up and I don't paso and they said you know typically when they're going to these homes on these places looking for the person that they've targeted of oftentimes you 567 other people in the course fighting. Of the way they do their jobs it and ask those people who they are and if they can't. Produced some form of club. Proof that that there are here legally or that there are US citizens then it they could be taken into custody. So as police officers they simply can't. Turned to wind died due to plug lawbreakers in every case we are targeting people who were here a illegally and do you have broken of the law. So Knesset sounds like you're not targeting them but because they broke a lot by being here they would be they would be. That is suitable for people. And not sounds like you all of them not sounds like Joseph we are not doing that but again people fall into our hands. Incidentally that we have no choice in most cases but to go ahead and put in the system. But I think you know that system is years long night give me your Homeland Security assessment of the North Korean threat. Well I mean it is so long as they're on the other side of the world who have voted. Missile and a and a nuclear weapon to deliver against United States. They're not much threat right now. Except in the world of cyber. They're pretty aggressive when they wanna be in cyber. What you do the minute they get you on and you know the instant they get a missile that can reach the United States. And they have weaponized atomic device. Nuclear device on it we are grave risk as a nation. In recent terrorist attack a policeman was killed is there anything in the Harris attacks that sends any lessons about US policy or policy that should be put in place. There's so many aspects of this terrorist and obviously hit at the homegrown terrorists I don't know how to stop that I don't know how to detect that. Are you got other terrorist threats to come across the border I believe in the case of the murder the in the in the parachute and I believe she was homegrown but again. There's so many threats to command from a cross border and it's essential absolutely to control one's border the other enjoyment has me. Keeps me who literally awake at night is the threat against aviation you know we know. That would be via the suitable for the for the terrorist truck knocked on an airplane in flight particularly if it was full of Americans. We have taken measures overseas to reduce that threat but it's something I watch every day. Ask for a five times today because there are a number of plots that were watching very very closely the very sophisticated. They're very threatening. And the number one thing in my mind just to protect the American people. So we'll do that. I just won a follow up mr. secretaries is set on the homegrown threat a lot of people think that is the biggest threat this part of the San Bernardino. Shooting a part of the Boston bombing. But you said you don't know how to stop that is that's the biggest threat and you don't know has stopped at that seems like I'm a big problem. It is a big problem. It is a number it's it you know we've depending on where you citi's where you stand on this it is a big threat is that the number one threat. I think is the most common threat. Unfortunately there are other similar type terrorist threats that could come from outside the border. You know did the CIA NSA all the great men and women of DOT doing a great job keeping them away from homeland. But again I I focus on this this aviation threat is something that is very real and it is successful they're gonna kill hundreds and hundreds of people. In one fell swoop so. I think he would repeal I would make on the homegrown threat. Is if you see something say something where you were there parent a sibling and you mom. In this extends frankly John to white supremacy in those kind of that kind of terrorism as well. If you see you you know young man or young woman going down that path where there are always on these kind of web sites or saying things that church are in a mosque. That are clearly disturbing. And tell someone about it so that we can help that kid. Young man a woman before they break the law. All right secretary John Kelly thanks so much for being with us. Thanks John. And when we come back for months senator Bernie Sanders will be here to tell us what he's doing to help get the Democratic Party back on track. Hi this is Gordon Deal join me weekdays 4 this morning America's first news hear the stories you'll be talking about and searching for all day as we go beyond the headlines and above the chatter weekdays at five on talk thirteen seventy. Then we're back with senator Bernie Sanders who is back home in Burlington after a weeklong tour of red states along with the head of the Democratic Party. Welcome senator I wanna talk to you about that unity tour you were on you were with the DNC chairman Tom Perez. He was booed a little bit and mean there's also little dust up over the your endorsement of candidate in Omaha off. What are the terms of that discussion in the Democratic Party right now about its direct. I think what he's clear to anyone who looks aware of the democratic polity today is that the model of the democratic audience felt it. We have believe we have a Republican president. Who ran as a candidate is most unpopular candidate. In modern history in this country Republicans controlled house the senate two thirds. All of governors' chairs and in the last eight years they have picked up 900 legislative seats clearly in the democratic audience got to change. And in my view what has got to be calm he's a grassroots party. A party which makes decisions from the bottom on how the party which is more dependent on small donations then logs donations eight haughty John. That speaks to the pain of the working class in this country. Middle class is shrinking 43 million people living in poverty almost all the way commonwealth is going to look up 1%. People can't afford to send their kids the college. They can't afford childcare they can't afford health care the Democratic Party has got to take the lead rallied people young people working people stand up to the billionaire class and when we do that. You get a few voter turn out so well. You're gonna see people coming in and running for office you're gonna see Democrats regain control of the United States congress. One of the things that debate it as Democrats try to fix the party is this question of is should there be a priority is nation you've put those. Populist economic issues at the forefront when the reason there's a bit of a debate about that. Omon candidate meant for mayor is that. He is against abortion rights and and so there's a debate about cultural issues vs economic how does the party sort all that out. I don't leak is much of the debate about about I have a 100% lifetime pro choice. A voting record overwhelming majority of Democrats are pro choice. I'm gonna do everything that I can conceive that the Republicans. Do not get away with their horrific effort to defund Planned Parenthood. Which provides health care and two and a half million women. But if we are going to become a fifty state party. If you gonna go to Omaha Nebraska which has a Republican. Governor two Republican senators or Republican congress people. Republican legislature you don't want and if at all mollified with 6000. People come out to a rally. Led like Jane clean then new democratic. Chairperson who's the what a great shot. And if you have a rally in which you have the label movement in environmentalists. And native Americans. And the African American community in the Latino community coming together saying we want this guy. To become our next lay up. Should I reject going there to Omar I don't think so it was a great rally and I hope very much he winds up by the way his opponent his opponent the incumbent mayor. Is also of course anti choice and she is inviting Scott walk off one of the most reactionary anti choice. Governor is anti labor governor's anti education governor is the campaign for her the resources plea. And I hope very much the democratic candidate. Their wits art center were gonna keep this conversation going to be interrupted quickly backed commercial so. We'll be back in a moment with more from senator Sanders. Texas weather can change on a dime will. I wanted to know and doing normally. When the weather turns severe. Turned to us for what you need to know on air and online at top thirteen sending dot com top thirteen seventy the right choice. And we're back with senator Bernie Sanders senator I wanna pick up on that point about the grassroots that you may you have an email list of all those grassroots voters you contacted who donated TU. Will you be handing that list over to the Democratic Party to help it when it's grassroots. Well right now right now which on our focus is building up. He's strong progressive movement in this country and I think the people who donated. One of the focus on electing the most progressive people people on that we possibly can. And bringing our people forget about. Ought to oppose this disastrous trump agenda. All of which calls for tax breaks to billionaires. While while the same time he wants the throat when he four million Americans or put health insurance. Defund Planned Parenthood. And raise premiums for oldest team is always draw right now is to build a progressive movement. Well and we are making some pretty good success all over the country was say progressives running for office and are beginning to win. It's a Democrats some Democrats are gonna hear that and think well he's not totally committed to an old Democratic Party idea here. Well as very few people but running around the country quite as much as all I have. Is all I have been trying to bring people into the water. And here is I think what major issue is as we go into the 2018. Elections. Dealing with the most unpopular president after a three month period. In American history. Is it jewelry Cole in 2014. We had a voter turnout of 36%. In the mid term elections almost two out of three Americans didn't vote and Republicans did very very well. If that continues there is no future are forward for the Democratic Party so what we have got to do and what Democrats of got to do. It's got all of this country's thought getting into those red states which have been ignored for decades thought throwing the voter turnoff how big an agenda. Which brings people together. To say that in the richest country in the history in the world yeah. You know what we got up health care or people as a right we go raise the minimum wage the fifteen dolls and I'll know Donald Trump is not right. Climate change is not a hoax it is a major. Planetary crisis nights we got to transform our as you can if we focus on those issues voter turnout goes up. Democrats went all right senator Sanders I'm afraid we've run out of time thanks as always for being with us. Thank you very much and we'll be back and. We know us and trafficking via challenged. These continued with time saver drastic. Mornings and afternoons on top thirteen seven deep the right choice. Welcome back to face the nation we are joined by Ohio governor John case. He's the author of the new book to pass America divided or united welcome governor. What is the message with this book is that a memoir is that a crime in the heart is it is it a manifesto is that campaign book. You know really I guess in some senses a cried heart John I have been fortunate enough to have so many different experiences in my life. Both in politics and in business in the media across the board. And what this book is about how did we get to where we are which is today divided. And how do we get out of it in and what is our responsibility all of us as individuals. It really gets down to living a life a little bigger than ourselves I think that. Some there's some sense we've kind of lost it. And what's most important is to Pete does for people to realize that they matter I mean they matter as much as a CEO we've been if they're turning off the lights at night. And we need to come together as a nation we need to focus on the things that bring us together not the things that divide us and we need to listen to one another. Look I have 217 year old daughters some people are gonna say larger write this book is his paw politics or you run and you know to primary. Has nothing to do with that I wrote this book because I have observed what has been happening in our country. I'm concerned about it but I believe that within an awakening. The country can be refreshed and brought together again I have no doubt and you just have Bernie Sanders on the I have more Democrats and the more independence. More you know Republicans are just walk up to me on the street and say you know you would let you Wear the adult you with a positive one. The message in this book I'm begging people. To look at this book into understand their responsibility. And their ability to bring this country together and stop waiting for these politicians to get it right they're not gonna get it right until they get a message from our. So what. What's that message. Let's leave aside Donald Trump you where a strong critic you still are of but let's leave that aside for just a moment so what is that other message what do people have to do what Canadian. Well John I think a lot of it is to focus on. Common humanity and the editor in this book said that he and his uncle were fighting it every holiday and I said why don't we focus on the things that pulls together. Do we are we concerned about drug addiction in our neighborhoods of course we are not Republican or Democrat are we worried about veterans come home and can't get a job. Can we look out for them of course what about a senior citizen the lost their spouse. And you know what about the issue of human trafficking who we keep her eyes open I you have the secretary Kelly talking about how we're all in this together. If we can focus on common humanity and sit down and fix problems where we live and believe in ourselves. It will open our ears to people who might not think like us. There are families that are in war with one another over politics it's ridiculous. There are more things that bring us together so I think common action in a food bank. Fighting the drug addiction help and our kids stood to read an earlier ages these things get us to communicate. So then these other big global issues or matters much I was in Atlanta Bernice King invited me for that. Martin Luther King Day down there and somebody raising it to what what trump I said well what about your neighbor. What about your kids Martin Luther King did not change America by going to the big shots they wouldn't even meet with him. He brought Republicans and Democrats and liberals conservatives who had moral outrage of what was happening in this country. He changed the country and then the politicians got its a we need to be engaged in local life bigger than ourselves wife is not about self absorbed shouldn't just about me not looking for sainthood just live a life a little bigger but we're Luther king marched for racial equality and John Allen is a march today what is there any on the streets of Columbus in the march 4 while I can tell you right now in Columbus we should be marching against the scourge of drugs. And in it brings people together even in the political parties the fight against drugs. The ability to keep our eyes open and to do things against the issue of human trafficking. Our the issue of racism. These are the things that people you know in my hometown if we don't marched against drugs would begin to win that battle. And people sometimes look at the problems and I think they're so big that I'm just one little person. We have a holocaust memorial on the on the Statehouse grounds in Columbus and it says if you save one life you've changed the world. We need to believe in ourselves again and not think you know life sort it ends. You know it degrades it doesn't it goes on and accountability in values and I'll tell you another thing John. Faith whether you're humanist or whether you have religious faith. There's a certain accountability you don't bury your talents you don't shut people out you don't shut them down if we keep doing this. My kids are gonna live in a country that I won't recognize but if we begin to to talk the one another listen want another respect one another because we live a life little bigger than ourselves. We won't make up progress. You know as you say people should pay attention what's happening at the local level with there's some pretty big think's happening here in Washington that will affect their lives how could they possibly ignore that and particularly when you where you are very critical of president trump and his campaign. And the choice the Republican Party made you talk about to pass you say they've chosen the path on dart. It's the politicians. Are all locked in they're afraid of their own shadows they're afraid to talk to people of the other party. You see this is a diseases that affect all of us and it looking United Airlines. You tell me how they could yank that guy off that airplane who was back in charge and air it what was anybody thinking. Why are politicians not working across the child health care problem. The issue of obamacare of course it needs to be improved but it takes both parties. And I'm critical of both parties because I see them being locked in their own silos and you know what John. A lot of the we need to listen to other people's points of view and the country can be healed I have no doubt about it but it isn't going to be healed if we wait for somebody else to do something special. Let me ask you a question and your experience as governor you came out of the gate with a big list of things to do. Yet a lot you wanted to get done and you kind of realizing went over shot in trying to do too much too fast do you have any advice for the current president who. Is it the beginning of his yeah he's hundred days well I was a congressman and governors body talk about it and here affecting the governor held me back in the presidential campaign because I want what do make wild promises and I was gonna be responsible. I was with the president invited me at a White House and I told a story about my wife. And I said that one day my wife came to me she said John you're governor of Ohio bodily you're the father of Ohio one that you act like it. That was pretty powerful words I can tell that to go get in his face that. There isn't there's a take away from that for the president what kind of father has he been so far. Let's incomplete he's done some things well and he's done other things that I don't agree with the story about yanking people out of their homes who have not committed a crime once they've come into this country. Dividing families more I don't agree with I think what he did in Syria was correct. He seems to have toned down some of these things but look it's a hundred days Johnny's never helpful public office he's learning. And it there is a big learning curve I experienced that we in no in Ohio today. We are more united you know why. Because I'm not playing that stupid political game I think political parties on our on their way out essentially Sanders is talking about reconstructing Democrat party. Think people care less about party that want action and things done but it's not just politicians John it's where you work and where you live and what do you do. All right governor thanks so much for being wit us and we'll be right back and our political and. Keep up with the latest breaking news in Austin and around the world take a moment to make sure you're following us on Twitter at top thirteen 7811 trading began. Just one more way to stay connected with top thirteen seven deep down right choice. We turn now to our political panel we want to welcome Carol lead to the broadcast she is the White House correspondent for the Wall Street Journal. Jeffrey Goldberg is the editor in chief at the Atlantic. Re on salaam is the executive editor at the national review and national review institute policy fellow. And Barkley did it she's the chief national correspondent in New York Times magazine welcome to all of you Caroline wanna start when you the government needs funding girls it's going to shut down. It OMB director of the White House has said to reach a deal. They will give Democrats one dollar for obamacare funding if they get one dollar for the president's a border wall which Democrats don't wanna find. 22 solve it. Well it got a pretty quick rejection from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and senate the non starter and he's they're not intended and it going to negotiate that. But it's emblematic of two things one is. The president really wants a victory before the hundred day mark hit it particularly in some of his most significant campaign promises like the border law. In the second thing is they need Democrats on board if they're going to avoid a shut down much the White House would like to do. So that's part of the reason why we've seen them leave open the possibility of not taking and on border while funding. That's also why we see them try to make at the last minute region taxes or health care. Two things that were on a good day for congress would be really complicated and difficult. Nevermind that they are trying to avoid. A shut down and so but at the end of the week when it sounds like we may wind up. As ad is a place that's very conventional for Washington Marie get a one week continuing resolutions that they can continue negotiations. And then perhaps look at health care and the following. Right so though it Graham let me ask you this congressman Tom Cole Republican. Says this about the politics of a possible shut down he said even. Our most recalcitrant members understand that if you shut down the government while you're running it and you controlled house and the senate you can't blame anybody but yourself. He does yet the politics of that right he's. It's not entirely clear partly because president trump is a different animal he's someone who could lay blame at the feet of congress if he so chose and that's why they're so much uncertainty here. The deeper issue is for Republicans they've been trying to get to regular order. That is because of regular ordinary with the worst most of legislation it goes through committees than you vote on opening of a conference committee all of this other stuff. Instead the only way we ever pass anything is what we cram everything into on the bus must pass legislation. Where someone's gonna die it's like this kid is gonna die if we don't pass this right now and the upshot of that. Is it you've got legislation that is not scrutinized he get all kinds of terrible decisions. Crammed into this stuff and this is not be seen reasonable way to govern the question is how can you actually press reset. The expectation had been on the part of Republicans in congress you get a Republican president may do we can take a breather and actually do this the normal way but the Republican president we dot. Is Donald Trump. And we go back to the brinkmanship and the things that make multi media saying about the possible deals going to act exactly. He doesn't actually add up these are not deals the Democrats are willing to make you. Send everyone right back to their brinkmanship kind of position. Right so part I also think Democrats aren't as worried about a government shut down as it opposition party normally would be I think that the Democrats believe probably rightly that in other Republicans control every branch of government traditionally. President Obama. Unit experienced some actually political success when Republicans in a controlled house and senate took on the government sent a Bill Clinton in the ninety's. I think in this case have been Democrats feel what they have a great deal of leverage in its interest in music you can do approaches hundred day. Marker. I mean when you're trying to break up a no hitter was a baseball and now they're triumvirate of and it you know swing for the fences and let try to get a single and you know legislatively if there's an Israeli president's trying to break up and correct he's accomplished nothing legislatively right I'm in no justice courses each of them and his legislatively maybe. But I mean there's like nothing he has accomplished and I mean this is not gonna be a big victory is gonna get by imposing a deadline com. Jim Graham a dismount from the baseball metaphor and ask you about though the rest of the world Marco Rubio made this case that if congress can get its. Acting here on the funding that it will send he said catastrophic message to the rest of the world what do you make when you McKenna of the word. You know it's not the only signal we're sending to the world in recent days that might leave the world a little bit doubtful about wary aren't who we are and whether we're fulfilling our responsibilities it is true. That allies and adversaries alike. Watch Washington they assume because we are the world's sole remaining superpower that we have our act together and when we don't have our act together that sends. Typical signals but again. There is a panoply of of difficult signals that are coming out of Washington's I wouldn't call it catastrophic I would say at a moment of heightened tension in the Korean Peninsula. And obviously that it is the issue surrounding Iran and Syria recent strike in Syria thin not the moment to it to signal to the world that we can't even keep our government. Running Carolina's mark pointed out the in the president's trying to swing a mean and indeed you know health care taxes and I'm. Do you give us on health care there was a blip that there might be something was there something going on last week about reviving the replacement to the Affordable Care Act or was that. Kind of wishful thinking. There's an effort going on vice president Mike Pence has worked on this. He's obviously been traveling last week. But there's it conservative the moderates and it's and the freedom caucus in the Republican Party are trying to work together to come up with some sort of compromise with the of copilot is something that. Is a bit cosmetic in terms of the differences that it has slipped failed. Health care bill few weeks ago and so it's not clear that it'll actually. Go anywhere and even if it goes somewhere you know right now the president's the way to the argument is. They considered a victory if they get something passed in the house moments Austin through the senate it's not necessarily. Mitt it doesn't guarantee that it's actually can go anywhere. And and is one senator said meaning that pleases the freedom caucus and house is gonna have bigger problems among Republicans in the senate ran on. Also as a part of this beat the clock game to get things done before the hundred days the president looks like he's gonna announce his tax plan. That seems faster than we were waiting for expected it how. Explain what you think will happen when you introduce a tax cut big tax cut plan in the midst of this environment that we you've been described it. Well one possibility is that if you're not actually going to get legislation that can get past a filibuster what you're going up to the temporary tax cut. It's gonna be some that's gonna be a bit more crowd pleasing potentially in a bit narrower in scope because Republicans what they've been working on is getting a big border adjustment package that would give them the revenue they need in order to do a variety of other things to make the tax code more investment friendly more growth friendly. But of course the border just attacks is dividing Republicans and so what we might wind up seeing is something that is. You know a little more narrowly political a little more stimulus. What I secretary of Treasury Secretary in addition the sadness that we wanna focus on in middle class tax cut we've heard that again and again and again. What exactly is likely to be a middle class tax cut is not what pro growth supply side Republicans are most enthusiastic about right. What they cabinets a corporate tax cut what they care about as high end tax cuts. So it's possible that we will see sunny from trump that is very very different from what we've been talking about today namely something that is focused on his constituency. That would be in my view politically Smart but again it doesn't actually do much to get the Republican leadership onside. Mark focused on constituency. Give me your sense of that the president has you know he is in his suggesting position he's a Republican but he's also got his own constituency and that's why a fight over the border wall. On government spending isn't that putting him right back in the center of what brought him which is to say his focus on the border and and maybe it's threatens to shut down but he's keeping his eye on the prize. Yes and he has great confidence of his supporters are for any border war and he's probably right about that the problem is his supporters are now on and have nots skilled at all since he's been elected at all I mean. It's also unclear where the country is on the border wall and if you. I'm so if you polled bump people who order for Donald Trump community are very very high numbers on border wall. You know there's there's no consensus even on the hill itself that this is something. That is worth you know really having any sort of knock down drag out fight. Four especially on the eve of the government shut down I mean we're talking against Texas health care border while these are not small things. When you're actually have an area of need I hear from the governor opened this coming down you know when my five days so. Every analyst Richard Quick question about international affairs the president this morning treated. Quote very interesting election currently taking place in France woody what have you made of his occasional forays into the French election. From that that sounds like you should be a panelist. On on panel discussion. Fascinating discussion election. What he's doing I mean it's it's a very sort of passive aggressive things we've seen earlier this week say I'm not endorsing Marine Le Pen the far right candidate. But she's really great on this subject amounts of borders especially. It's it's. This that we're in a novel moment obviously in American European relations are and let's say history is presidential interventions and oversees elections she is the far right candidate her party the national front has its roots in. V she. Fascist ideology I mean this is this is somebody on the personals right so it American president coming out and saying I'm not endorsing but in that in essence endorsing. Is really something that we haven't experienced before and of course if she wins or makes it through this round and gets to the second or even possibly winds. We're looking at the end of the European experiment into the post forward to European experiment and Donald Trump has been. Sympathetic to that idea he's been very hostile to the EU he's intermittently our style to NATO as we've seen over the years. And so he's clearly trying to put its thumb on the scale while being a little bit cute about it. Graham what do you make their a lot of foreign policy developments this week we've been talking about North Korea the president made a phone call to that. To murder one of Turkey about his victory. Comment and and then it this is discussion about the French election eve what do you make of the president and his foreign policy. He's an. Well I think that there is oftentimes a tendency to want to impose a narrative on what's been going on so for example the fact that president front congratulated. Up president ever want. Well look I mean President Obama congratulated president putting on his reelection victory back and when he twelve that didn't necessarily mean that President Obama thought that who that was a great guy. Similarly we just don't know exactly what Donald Trump thinks about heir to one and the political changes within Turkey domestically. I'm passed from North Korea assuming he has thoughts about it actual thought oh brother it's something that he is. You just thinking about puzzling through and also I think that we've seen this mine changes from time to time ranks which you know make sense which we expect well he's deadly focused on crisis and Turkey's role in possibly helping write up and that's very complicated right because and in the Turks they wanna be the tip of the spear they wanna be can be sure that Syrian Arabs who are the ones we're taking out nicest. Whereas the United States has been were closely with Syrian Kurds and the Turkish government believes that these guys are terrorists so I mean that's enormously complicated and and of course North Korea's two. I think what you're seeing and his farm policy is that his transactional nature is playing out in that. You know what he said in congratulating her on which you know White House officials that he wanted to do particularly just so he could try to get. Put Turkey in a place where he might feel to get some things that he wants from them on as proxy fight. And that it was worth taking criticism that the US is hypocritical alliance preaching democracy. And you buses so he and he's this the president likes to be. Praise and so you see him offering praise to erred on you son do this with Egypt which they felt that was. That resulted in him getting this aid worker released he's done that with president she agent of China. And so it's kind of how he opera is you see how he's operating he's doing these are praising people who witnessed this we would not necessarily praise. And trying to get some sort of transactions from them. What again I also think that what we're seeing amid I think in a way the current for foreign policy environment suits who's fairly situation all approach of the world limit. He was praised for Syria for instance and you know what was the next sentence every. You know pundit in the world and after that you know but what's the strategy amendment you know by the time bureau under the strategy we're back to North Korea where in Turkey. You know we're manager for something so I Mary I think he's also well. Situated with with pretty strong advisors at this point and I think it's. I think McMaster. To some degree Tillerson certainly tell you certainly on matters or are people he's pretty. Gotten pretty comfortable we're pretty quickly and and again the situation Foreman thanks for tomorrow. We'll look at what he's like that's gonna speak on behalf of the strategy looking pundit class and say that you can have transactions for awhile with these problems pile up because transactions don't solve. The problems you need an actual strategy to figure out what we're doing answers you need an actual strategy to figure out what you're doing North Korea. No sign and then strategy we've had a transactional stretch in North Korea for the last twenty years there's innocently that we find ourselves aren't well. The transaction I must transact is that we are out of time so we'll be back in a moment with some thoughts about disability. And breaking news exclusive contests and more delivered right tier rim not to like knowing things doing the right choice club that talk thirteen seventy dot com and you'll be in the just go to top thirteen seventy dot com and click on the right choice club from top thirteen seventy the right choice. The chairman of the Democratic National Committee Tom Perez has been swearing a lot lately. They called a budget that. Any budget I called a budget cuts and budget. Gone is Michelle Obama's advice for handling the opposition when they don't know we go high. The best democratic line in the last campaign and words we should all live by. This is about more than crass language in times of tension and do you keep your standards or do you drop out. The Washington Post asked Peres about his potty mouth and he pointed out correctly that Republicans have tolerated far worse from Donald Trump. So two wrongs make a right in the races on the bottom. Or whatever is below the bottom. At this point you may be swearing in rebuttal. Party chairman are supposed to be extremely this conveys urgency it excites the crowd plus Donald Trump never paid a price essentially this is good politics. Is it really. If you oppose a president for his coarseness why would you imitate. Donald Trump's primary opponents tried and failed at this. Also for a party without message problem there's something exhausting about the overuse of the manure spreader. It suggests a reliance on shock rather than strengthen an argument the outburst is supposed to be spontaneous but comes across this early calculated. Appointed word now and again can be effective as Bernie Sanders print. When he sent the American people are sick and tired of hearing about. You're damn even up. But it was the prior restraint not just the word that made people take notice. That among. Keep up with the latest headlines from Austin and beyond on the on the top thirteen seventy dot com stay informed with the latest news weather contests and more it's all just a click away at talk thirteen seventy dot com just one long way to stay connected with talk thirteen seventy. Today's gas where secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly senators Marco Rubio and Bernie Sanders an Ohio governor John case. 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