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From Rudy Giuliani, Stormy Daniels, and North Korea -- it was another eventful week for the Trump administration. We'll have an analysis of these stories and more on this week's "Face the Nation."


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It's Sunday may thirteenth. I'm Margaret Brennan and this is face the nation. In a week where US diplomacy took a giant step back works for president. Pulling out of the Iran's nuclear deal this was a horrible one sided deal that should have never. Ever it. Efforts to craft a new relationship ahead of the summit with the North Korea took a big step forward. The north Koreans invited reporters to witness the dismantling of their main nuclear test site later this month. And secretary of state Mike Pompeo travel there to bring home the three American detainees. They were greeted by a triumphant president trump. But is North Korea really serious about denuclearization. And what impact will the US breaking the agreement with Iran have on crafting a new one with North Korea. We'll ask secretary of state on hail. The fallout from the president's decision to nix the Iran deal is already being felt in the mideast as US allies scrambled to. After way forward would be Iran onions. We'll have reports from Tehran Gaza and Jerusalem where the controversial new US embassy is scheduled to open tomorrow. We'll also speak to south Carolina Republican senator Lindsey Graham. He'll respond to that cool comment on the White House aide about his close friend John. Was battling brain cancer. Plus we'll sit down with former Defense Secretary and CIA chief Robert Gates's. And we'll have analysis on all the news coming up. On face the nation. Good morning and welcome to face the nation. Tensions are rising in the mideast and we have three reports from the region we begin with CBS news foreign correspondent Elizabeth Palmer in Tehran. Liz after the US pull out what efforts are being made to salvage what's left of the nuclear deal. Doctored Jawad zaireans the Iranian foreign minister left Iran yesterday he went to Beijing first you've been heading to Russia and then he's going to Europe. Basically conduct does everything is going to ask these other five countries to guarantee. What Iran most wants from a nuclear deal that is access to international capital. And banking now these are things that the US is signaling it's gonna try and block on her new sanctions so doctors Arif is basically. Asking these other five countries to do an end run. Around upcoming US sanctions. And how are Iranian citizens responding to the deal falling through. Well the hardliners hit the streets after presidents cup decision and feel cries of death to America but. Bay and everybody else are actually much more angry with their own government they're fed up because they haven't. Had salary increases there are no jobs there's corruption and most of all they say. The Iranian government can offer nothing but a bleak future I've never heard people so angry here. For the moment the government is keeping a lid on little protests that have been springing up everywhere but it's anyone's guess how long they can maintain stability. Thanks list. The official opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem tomorrow threatens to make relations between the Israelis and the Palestinians even worse. We wanna bring in CBS news foreign correspondent holly Williams in Gaza and sat down. In Jerusalem sacked let's start with you. Good morning this embassy move comes at a sensitive timing coincides with a number of events including. The seventieth anniversary of the State of Israel that is something of course that Israelis celebrate and Palestinians mourn Palestinian protests have been. Rolling in the last six weeks and they're expected to culminate early in the week in Gaza Hamas has encouraged supporters to storm the border. That is something that an Israeli military is bracing for they have snipers they've also positioned forces inside settlements and they have. Double the number of troops alongside Gaza. And the West Bank they say they are determined to try to stop Palestinian protesters from infiltrating into Israel but they have to walk a very. Fine line they do not want to see things escalate they certainly don't wanna see more images at. Palestinian casualties broadcast on television sets around the world meanwhile here in Jerusalem posters are up around town. Celebrating this move and thinking president trump and America for moving US embassy. From Tel Aviv to Jerusalem Margaret set. Thank you holly what do you see in Gaza. Good morning moderate while we re hearing god on Friday when Palestinians clashed with Israeli soldier is along the border fence. Palestinians have condemned the move that the US embassy to Jerusalem. Because they put that Jerusalem will one day be day capital if they ever get there on in state. Many of the demonstrated what people but some heard rock than that highest and honest stormed a border crossing point but can't go to. And damaged fueling gas pipeline. Israel has now closed that crossing point and fuel shortages are expected here in Gaza. Israeli soldiers fight he got and it did and allied ammunition they've killed more than forty Palestinians over the last six weeks. Including a fifteen year old boy who died of his wings yesterday according to a feature. Last night Israel says that it bombed an underground tunnel built by how Max. That's the militant group in control of the Gaza Strip and similar tunnels have been used in the pot to attack Israel. The Palestinian protested seem to be driven by anger and frustration. The blockade of the Gaza Strip of more than ten years now has made it poverty stricken place even more desperate. There roughly two million people who leave it have to contend with nearly 55 and unemployment. Frequent power cuts and contaminated water. Margaret. Thank you both. We want to welcome secretary of state Mike Pompeo our first guest here at the new face the nation studio. Mr. secretary thank you for joining us it's continuing the and he Mother's Day beautiful studio you it's been an extraordinary week for you on many fronts. I want to ask you about North Korea they have in the past pledged to dismantle nuclear sites before they're saying they're going to do it again is this latest pledged. A theatrical gesture or is a significant. Well my trip was designed to lay the ground work to prepare for the president's meeting with the chairman Kim on June 12 just thirty days away. We've seen this happen before we have our eyes wide open with respect the fact that the north Koreans have not proved. How worthy of their promises but we're hopeful that this will be different that we won't do the a traditional model where they do something and we give them a bunch of money. And then on both sides walk away we're hoping this will be bigger difference faster our task is complete and total denuclearization. North Korea and that is the president's intention to achieve that as he has said we'll see if that works. What we're setting the conditions for successful meeting between the two leaders have yet. Kind denuclearization. Total full and complete that means dismantling deaths computer modeling getting rid of the centrifuges stopping on Richmond getting inspectors on the grass this man the same deal we should have done the wrong. So for you you've talked about making it worth north Koreans while financially. But if they follow through John Bolton said today on another network. That no one should look to the US for economic aid including North Korea. That's right how'd you reconcile those two things. They're very content don't know on a map very very consistent what what chairman Kimmel get from America is our finest. Our entrepreneurs our risk takers are capital providers. Not a taxpayers. They'll get people out there will be a private capital comes in. North Korea's desperately in need of energy support electricity for their people they are. They're in great need of agricultural equipment and technology the finest from the midwest that I come from. How we can deliver that. And as I said earlier this week we can create conditions for real economic prosperity for the North Korean people that will rival that of the south. And that is our expectation won't be US taxpayers. There will be American know how and knowledge entrepreneurs and risk takers. Working alongside the North Korean people to create a robust economy that's the kind of sanctions relief. To make it possible for a company to invest directly North Korea. Man when we met man if we get if we can't denuclearization of course they'll be sanctions relief certainly. Probably more than that they'll be around that the president has a commitment and he will make this commitment to determine Kim I am confident that says if you do the things we need to do. So that America is no longer held at risk by your nuclear weapons arsenal. And that you get rid of your CBW program in missiles that that threaten the world wolf will will ensure that your people. Have the opportunity for the greatness that I know chairman Kim wants them to. Nominee secretaries of state get to say they've brought through Americans home and their second week on the job. Or have even binge North Korea twice in six weeks time. But I'm wondering in your interactions with him you've had them directly have you assured him that the US isn't trying to oust him from power. I have told him that what president trump wants us to see the North Korean regime get rid of its nuclear weapons program. Didn't completely and in totality. And in exchange for that. We are prepared to insure. That the North Korean people get the opportunity that they so richly deserve it's pretty straightforward. And I said earlier this week I I think in that sense chairman Kim shares that same objective. I I think he understands that president trump. Has put an enormous pressure campaign. Employees with the aim of achieving a good outcome for North Korea and its people that's our objective that's the American goal the president truck set point. So the US no longer believes that it. Kim Jung un is holding onto these weapons to secure his place in power in other words you are saying over. Team changed only time will tell how these negotiations will proceed the president uses language says will seek. Where there is still a lot of work to do the American leadership under present trump has its eyes wide open it could be that we won't be successful it's possible. We acknowledge that we've we've watched this bill before but the model that has been employers fundamentally different. And we are hopeful that we will get it fundamentally different outcome. What will this summit in Singapore look like are you walking into the room with president trump to sit across from contaminant. Now I don't know of working on the details the the actual blocking and tackling at the meeting we have been working on them for weeks. I will have teams working on them in the days and weeks ahead we've got now some thirty days again incidents. And the will be a great deal of work done between our two countries between now and then to finally set the stage for what we hope will be a very successful visited Singapore between our two leaders. So you're still hanging out the protocol but you spent the most time Kim Jong-un what what struck you about him. What struck me that he is very knowledgeable in the sense that he knows the files he's very capable of engaging in complex set of discussions. When I ask him a question about something that's a little off the answers that there's no note cards. It is chairman Kim in this case interacting with me directly. Having a robust discussion about what that outlines of a successful negotiation. Between our two countries might ultimately be. You brought those three Americans home from North Korea. There are still at least four Americans being held in Iran their families are concerned that tearing up this diplomacy exiting the nuclear deal. Puts their loved ones at risk what can you tell them. Two thinks a first. Everyone should know that this administration is intent on bringing home every American who is held anywhere in the world. With the pastor Brunson Turkey we desperately need to get back. We have. Others held in Iran and in Syria we were working diligently get each of them back. With respect to whether. That actions of this past week with respect of the JCP away increased anyone's risk I think that's ludicrous. The Iranian bad behaviors increased it only increased during the time in the Jaycee PO are you willing to carry out a prisoner swap an Iran style. I can't answer that question we didn't change exchange anything for these North Korean detaining. He came back because chairman Kim thought it was in his best interest to do so what we're thankful for that we are hopeful that mr. were honey. Who fancies himself a westerner. Would undertake to release the Iranian detainees as well. He talks about the fact that he wants European business they're the least he could do would be returned all of the people that his country mr. were on his country has holed up. Fundamentally. A number of our European allies as you know I'm sure you've had some difficult conversations in the past few days have been frustrated that the US. Cut short the diplomacy and their view they said in a conversation with you last Friday you assured them that they had they were close to this ideal team. Addressed the things present trump was Torre. Why not try why not finish that white the president cut that off of Margaret. Did we did track the president set out a set of objectives. He tested me in my first couple weeks to work with the appears to try and give although the work have been ongoing before I arrived at the State Department. And in no time were we able to reach agreement the Europeans simply wouldn't exceed to the requirements to fix the deal. And so they had some ninety days to do so. And now we want another five days and I got there on the concept where we're at ninety days to work yet. And you should know we will continue to work president trump and president crone both said. We wanna get a deal that's right a bigger deal we will be hard at that in the weeks ahead. I hope to be a central part of achieving that it would be wonderful thing. If we can get the Europeans to do this. We're gonna I do wanna add this. Fundamentally what's happened during the time of the JCP away. It was that the uranium wealth creation. Fueled their maligned behavior the money that they had to go and launch missiles into Riyadh in Israel putting Americans at risk. Was provided by the economic benefits they got from the JCP or president trump wants to starve them of that well. So fundamentally though are you trying to negotiate new nuclear deal or are you trying to put together a coalition to defeat Iran. We're gonna put together a coalition pushes back against not only Iran's nuclear program which by the way Margaret they still denied. No Iranian leader has admitted they had a weapons program in the facts are now public that they did they ought to at least be honest about that. But it's not gonna just be the nuclear file. There will be the missile program the will be their effort to build Hezbollah will be there threats against Israel will be the work that they do in Yemen to launch missiles into Saudi Arabia for goodness sakes. This is the activity that the Iranian regime has undertaken. Drank the JC VOA. We're gonna make a shift we're going to deny them the benefit of the economic wealth that has been created. And put real pressures so they'll stop the full scale. Of the one of this sponsorship of terrorism with a which they've been engaged in these past years mr. secretary thank you for coming to Germany and happy Mother's Day. We don't pounded Jerusalem and south Carolina Republican senator Lindsey Graham he is leading the congressional delegation attending the opening. Of the US embassy there. I thank you for joining us today senator I want to talk to about the Middle East that start first here at home. Your good friend John McCain I know you were just visiting with him and there's been some controversy here. Over all White House aides comments that senator McCain's opposition to Gina Haskell for CIA. Doesn't matter because he's quote dying. Are you satisfied with how the White House has responded. No not really as pretty disgusting thing to say it was a joke it was a terrible joke. I just wish somebody from the White House would tell the country that was inappropriate that's not who we are. And drug administration and John McCain can be criticized for. Any political decision he's ever made or anybody's ever cast but he's an American hero. And I think most Americans would like to see that drug administration. Do better in situations like this it doesn't hurt you at all to do the right thing into the big. Should the president himself apologized. I'll leave that up to him that if something happened like that in my office. Somebody in my office that is such a such a thing about somebody in our apology doesn't have office. Let's turn out to the Middle East when you're on this program back in March you said president trump doesn't have a strategy to contain Iran. And that Israel was careening towards a war do you think president trump has a strategy now. He's got a strategy to deny Iran ate at wait till bombed I'll withdraw from this agreement. Fifteen years from now all the restrictions on their uranium program go away. They can enrich and reprocess uranium and potentially that Tony and without limitation so getting out the agreement having stops in the arms race but when it comes to containing. Our Iran on the ground in Syria and other places. We don't have much of a strategy. How does exiting the existing deal to freeze nuclear the nuclear program. Stop Iran from getting a bomb I mean many would say the president didn't present an alternative to cut off all the pathway. The mere passage of time. They can have an industrial strength enrichment program and every Arab nation in the region has said that this deal this terrible. It means Iran one day we'll get a bomb without cheating Israel believes this a bad deal probably gets a bad deal it. US allies that I have spoken with say they were very disappointed president trump didn't allow them to broker this ideal to. A dress what you are talking about but still preserve the deal it's south and they say this is really damage relations with Europe. Here's rested our European allies this to alienate was terrible and Diaz have everybody in the region the closer yard Iran the worst is still this. So I hope we can find a new deal what would a new deal like. Nuclear power available to the Iranians and the Arabs what that any of them having that capability to make a weapon. If all arrived waltzes and nuclear power program they can have it. If they want an enrichment capability unleaded in nature and the answer is no big deal will only act on president on the acts are you on another diplomatic deal because our allies doubt that. I think it is I think they wanna deal or Iran. Cannot. Over the passage of time developing nuclear weapon the current deal this terrible they took a 150 billion dollars. They didn't spin in don't hospital Rosen bridges they rebuilt the military their dismembering the mideast they had checked our sailors on the Nazis. How much has that happened four year old last arrives not getting better than getting worse. How many times and at that fire missiles were adept is along the side of the missile. Before you believe that they're not they're up to no good it. So less canceled as the only get better when. Where they can have nuclear power but they can't make a bomb and let me just say this if they try it and rich again if they try to go big in terms of enrichment. Then I think that's a hostile act towards the State of Israel and the United States here in Jerusalem now sir do you believe that the two state solution is that. No because it can't be. If he had won state that was Jewish nature. Eventually it had to have some kind of a part time where Arabs and Palestinians can vote to the states needs a Jewish state. With an Arab component a Palestinian state living in dignity side by side with the missile the problem is the Palestinians are divided. Yet Hamas controlling Gaza. Palestinian Authority control in the West Bank. Gaza's rocket launching factory against Israel until the Palestinians reconcile under one fly that flag. They'll never be peace if president trump can pull off a diplomatic agreement with the North Korea. Does he need congressional consent for a treaty out what urged the breast. If he can negotiate an agreement with Kim John problem. That he takes an agreement and sends it to the senate I think that would be a good thing to do this is an historic opportunity. But it the past is any indication that feature you gotta watch North Korea black hawk but I do believe there at the table. Because they see it different person and Donald Trump. And they believe if he had to trot would use military force China certainly believes that. The secretary Pompeo said on Friday that the US is willing to help North Korea achieved prosperity. If they. Is there an appetite in congress to provide that kind of investment or sanctions relief. Be the best money whoever spent the educator if you could really get North Korea to give up their nuclear program. And I think it'd be a lot of sport in congress to get North Korea better life provide aid relief sanctions with one condition. That you give up your nuclear weapons program and a verifiable way when it comes in North Korea they did a lot of congressional sport. The average north Koreans about three inches shorter than those and so. Their friends and south of their neighbors and South Korea because of that. Terrible conditions at North Korea and you would want US troops to stay current levels. I do want US troops to stay in South Korea. To stabilize the region China is moving around a wanna stay close to our allies and Asia. But if you had a peace treaty that ended the Korean War he had a barrel. Viable. Our agreement where North Korea gave up their nuclear weapons and he really minute we could prove that. That I'd leave it up the president he wanted to reduce troops and send them somewhere else I don't waterworld in North Korea. The best thing could happen is for them to give up there you go weapons program. I'm not trying to spread democracy in North Korea I'm not trying to unify South Korean North Korea. And trying to stop a unstable regime from having more weapons that can hit America. Senator thank you for your time. We'll be back in a moment welcome back to face the nation on Margaret Brennan. Former CIA director in Defense Secretary Robert Gates served eight presidents working on nearly every national security issue that America faces. Only spoke at William and Mary Friday I asked gates whether he thought North Korean leader Kim Jung un. Was really serious about dismantling the country's nuclear program. I think he's serious about this I think he sees an opportunity. As do week. I think the president's tough talk and the willingness of the Chinese and the Russians to agree. Two. The toughest sanctions we've ever really applied to North Korea. Certainly increase the pressure on the north Koreans to come to the table. But I think he also feels that he's at a point with his nuclear program and as ballistic missile program that he can't. At least for some period of time and go without testing. And test the US administration and see what might happen I think it's very complicated. They have a nuclear. Enterprise that is dramatically larger than Iran's. Miles and miles of tunnels. Multiple sites existing nuclear weapons. So getting to genuine denuclearization. Will be a very complicated process. You've raised concerns in the past present trumps unpredictability. As a leader but do you see that unpredictability as an asset in this case. I think that the unpredictability in terms of some of the tweets and some of the tough talk. Did get the attention. The north Koreans and the Chinese as well in terms of fire and fury and and so on and in my view is generally that. Tactical unpredictability. Is good and is an asset strategic unpredictability is probably not a good idea for a great town where rich you put the president's unpredictability tactically should teach. I think that's not clear yet apple what is he actually able to offer as some kind of incentive for Kim Jung on two. Negotiate away its lack actually I think the president goes endless. A lot of cards to play. A peace treaty diplomatic recognition and guarantee that the United States would not trying to overthrow the regime by force. The whole panoply of economic sanctions that have been put on. And so he has a lot to negotiate with if the president get something in hand from the north Koreans. Do you think he has to go to congress get approval of it. I think he should be just do these things by executive agreement. First ball that doesn't make it. The law of the land for the next president the next president with a stroke of the pen can overturn it just as president trump has done with the Iran. That would need to include inspectors on the ground in North Korea that would need to include can someone actually dismantling some of his. Nuclear program I mean is is the benchmark here. At least what was negotiated in the Iran deal and the president has to go beyond that. Well it's it's at least that when you have this a program as expansive as the north's. You have to have any time any place inspections you have to have huge number of inspectors that can go around the country and can observe. Destruction of facilities who who can monitor that they stay destroyed that they are being rebuilt someplace else. In secret so so the magnitude of the of the monitoring and the verification of any agreement. Would be I think an order of magnitude. More complicated and bigger. Then is the case and has been the case in Iran would you put the odds of success I put the odds of immediate success has very low. But the odds of eight of them of getting something accomplished over a longer period of time and the kind of step by step approach beginning with what the president has already. Gotten in terms of their willingness to talk and cessation of the testing and so on him looks at the world and he sees that. Qaddafi gave up his nuclear program he's dead is regime is gone Saddam never had nuclear weapons he's did his regime is gone. Kim looks at this and that's why would I give up my nuclear weapons. And so. I think you have to change the strategic environment in Asia for cam. Actually to get be willing to consider giving up his nuclear weapons. What is the immediate impact of exiting the Iran nuclear him. Well I think in the short term it. It isolates the United States. I think it was a flawed agreement. You know we were supposed to get any time any place inspections. And I haven't inspections regime where the Iranians can say you can't look at any of our military facilities. Where where would you most logically put a nuclear program except on a military facility. But do you think president trump breaking a US commitment. To this international agreement will have implications that are negative I do I absolutely do I am my own view would have been it would have been better. To stay in the agreement at least for another six months and essentially laid down an ultimatum to our allies. And say either you join us in very heavy penalties against the Iranians for the ballistic missile programs. And you join us in resisting Iranian. And meddling in the Middle East either you help us with those things or in fact I will walk away from this agreement I I think. I think we could have pushed the Europeans a lot harder. To work with this and then in six months. Basically if they hadn't done that then you would be in a much stronger position but as it is now. At least for the time being we're the country that's isolated. You had privately cautioned against the appointment of John Paul now he is within the administration. What are your concerns about the effects is giving us. I think that there's a difference between being television commentator. And having responsibilities of office. And I've seen this happen a lot. One thing that has. Struck me is is that the process that the Tennessee seems to be working better. In terms. Documentation. Of things. Positions being taken he's clearly got a strong relationship with both has developed a strong relationship with sector in Madison obviously with secretary Pompeo. So I think in that sense the president is probably better serve because there's less. Infighting if you will with in the administration. You left the CIA for 26 years do you agree with Senator John McCain and Tina Haskell is a patriots. But better refusal to acknowledge tortures and morality is disqualified. For her to be director C no I don't think it's disqualified. I think that. I worry. About. Present ism. I think you have to go back to 20012002. Hands. The horror. That people in the administration felt people were terrified. About when the next attack was coming. And only with the retrospect. Of seventeen years of no foreign based major attack taking place again. Can we go back and revisit these things I don't know. This past but by all accounts. She's had an extraordinary career very distinguished career has really served her country well. And I think to them. To. To say she should not be director of CIA today. In the absence of any evidence she did anything wrong. Fifteen or so years ago I I think as a mistake. How do you assess present at this point of his presidency. I think the jury is still. So to speak. But you moved away from your initial criticism of him in 2016. I'm concerned about. The way he's treated our allies. By the same token. Hype I think that he is his tougher approach to North Korea has paid dividends. We'll see how many dividends they pay over how long time. I think that his tough talk with the Europeans has accomplished something that all about the rest of us to be rated them for not spending enough on. Defense they are beginning to increase defense spending. So it's it's not an an entirely one sided picture mind you. Thank you very much. Your television. The full interview will be on our website at face the nation dot com. We'll be back in a moment with our panel don't have time to keep up with the news try to CBS news radio land on your IOS or injury device you'll get the latest news it's usually started it's at least you can also listen to great programs might face the nation weekend roundup where the CBS evening news. Good evening Wall Street today signaled its approval of a tax cuts passed by the Republican controlled congress you can even download them straight to your phone. And listen waiter who leads all on the CBS news radio app for IOS or android. Download it today. That our panel for some political analysis stand balls as the chief correspondent for the Washington Post we'd like to welcome. Selena Zito to the broadcast she's a national political reporter for the Washington examiner. And the author of the great revolt. Inside the populist coalition reshaping American politics Jeffrey Goldberg the editor in chief of the Atlantic and we'd also like to welcome summoned him to this broadcast she's a reporter for the Washington Post covers. The White House from Capitol Hill. Welcome to the show yet let's start with you that you heard Bob gates say that Gina Haskell should be disqualified for any past. Relationship with the torture program at the US under tough or enhanced interrogation techniques does she have the votes to get confirmed. I think right now things are looking very good Regina houseful over the weekend we saw another red state Democrat Joseph Donnelly from Indiana I think he would support hurt. So looking at the numbers right now I think the one question mark we have about a potential Republican defection is. Perhaps senator Jeff flake of Arizona who told us on Capitol Hill over the last week that he's very. I'm thinking the delivered of the about what Senator McCain sat about a half full nomination last week. But aside from that you have at least two Democrats who are supporting herself her prospects on capital will look very good right now. And that comment from John McCain basically saying there shouldn't be any kind of you know question that if that discounts and morality of torture here than any connection is too much to that yes exactly and I think what's interesting if you see I'm the absence of Senator McCain felt in so many ways on Capitol Hill. But I've since he's Senate Armed Services Committee chairman Jackson would have been able to question do you house flatter hearing as what we call it XTC a member of the committee. So while his statement was very strong it would have been interesting to see how missed hostile affair under questioning from Senator McCain. Chance I want to ask you you know we heard from. The new secretary of stay at the start of the program Mike Pompeo did it surprise you when he said he doesn't know whether he'll be involved that these talks with Kim gentlemen. Yes. But. But it's it's surprising and I'm surprising because as they spontaneous. Administration this is improvisational administration. We are entering a period. Maximum risk and maximize our opportunity as well both in North Korea and Iran. But you intensifying their risk when you don't even tell us who was going to be negotiating with the north Koreans. The idea that come down trump alone in a room with the North Korean dictator. Is it's a fraught idea because you don't know. What he's gonna do and we don't have a sense of how far he wants to go so it would be. Interesting and useful to have listeners think who actually knows the North Korean leadership to be involved in that that was a little bit surprising that said that to him. He might not want to get ahead of his box but he certainly has the most developed relations I personally would bring the senators date with me but bashes me. When you do get it yet when I do whatever. And it right decision in history I always forget my every damn ball actually happening and it will bring you the secretary of staff. Faded down at Philly I wanna get to you ball because it's not talking about the president president and his behavior and and what makes him uniquely him you've studied a lot about that including people. Who really stand by their votes for the and you had a piece this week looking at. Die hard in this country and the people still standing by. President trump do you believe here that going into November that coalition that helped elect him will re elect a Republican majority. I'm not confident of that at this point for for two reasons one is I think there has been some erosion in the intensity of support among some of the people who back him. In 2016 and it's not that they have broken with him but they are. They are they're nervous about them and particularly about conduct and behavior much more than specific policies. So I think that's one aspect of it. The other is as President Obama showed it is very difficult. For somebody who gets elected president to transfer that coalition that backed. That person. To other candidates who don't have the same kind of connection when voters candidates have to develop that connection themselves and in and in mid term election like this. The Democrats have an advantage was the first mid term after president gets elected that's always better for the out party so for all of those reasons I'm not confident. That the president can deliver his coalition from. You said in your piece at the people didn't change the Democrats did that's what one person interviewed told you well that's right I mean and I mean I'd I'd I ended up talking. More to Republicans and people who have supported from but it in talking to some of the Democrats in the midwest. I think there's a feeling that the National Democratic Party doesn't understand the midwest in the same way that a lot of trouble voters felt that. That that they didn't understand the midwest and and their view is the Democrats have to figure out a way to be able to talk to the center of the country while continuing to hold the posts and if they can do that then they will be. Genuinely competitive one point. And so in about that question you're asking your book I mean is that even possible. Well and you know one of the things about this coalition is is the Donald Trump wasn't the cause of it he was the result of it. So this coalition I believe is willing to continue to break things even outside the ballot box. I'm unsure of what's going to happen. In in the mid terms. But I do understand that it is still pretty strong and it's pretty intense. And and they still believe that both political parties not just the Democrats but the Republicans as well. I'll aren't listening to what I have to say Anna and I find that fascinating that this movement is going on but we're still not hearing yet. And and so that's hearing it you're saying on Capitol Hill not hearing not and and not hearing it in the way it's depicted when it is typically wind when there's news reports and talk and they talk about you know what the child from voter is this android that and this is what they want. It case in point look at the Republicans in West Virginia they were convinced that Don Blankenship had a chance. Why did bin dotted to West Virginia it's in my backyard I live in Pittsburgh. Talk Blankenship had a chance. Absolutely now and about the Republican establishment and a lot of the news media thought this is something that was going to happen. So they're still don't understand what is causing this coalition to stay together but also to have their voice be heard. In the ballot box some in him I wanna ask you this report. Out of the White House this week that the Homeland Security secretary your stimulus was just lambasted in meeting with the president so much so that she actually drafted a letter of resignation. For the moment they say she is Stephanie. What was lit with. Could he back like on Capitol Hill I mean at this point there are a number of people who've been reshuffled in this cabinet can you get a Homeland Security. Secretary confirmed peek at. Members of the senate particularly the senate Republicans are just exhaust and it went that constant cabinet drama that we've seen especially. That has picked up this year first of all just found that simple fact that you haptic confirm. All these replacements once their house and a lot of these are very difficult tasks and ended term here. I'm in terms of Homeland Security secretary it's usually a tough battle because it deals with the issue of immigration which is always a sensitive issue on Capitol Hill. It would be interesting to see ask Richard Nelson is actually scheduled to testify on Capitol Hill to speak on Tuesday as part of a regular oversight hearing on national security port security issues. And confident that this issue will rise. That he had that that they will be questioning you know what are the concerns of the president. Outlined in this meeting did you actually threatened to retire and it be interesting to see how she responds under it. Well what's fascinating about this moment is is if you wanna look at Donald Trump people think of him is inconsistent with his remarkable consistency here. What triggered him in this case was fear that she was not applying himself rigorously to the issue of immigration. Is that this is the week that he withdrew from the Iran deal like he said he would visibility move that he's moving the embassy from Tel Aviv tutors them like he said he would. Immigration he comes back to it again and again and again at me it's it's not that hard to predict. What gets him going and what triggers him and it's a pretty interesting died this week to it to what's going to come because he comes back to the same issues and promises. Over and over enough Republicans that they could move him away from those I would not bet with those Republicans now that would. Well at. Some Lincoln though I wanna ask you again I'm not on this idea of the president being able to deliver on his campaign promises of being at odds of with congress he also tweet yesterday that the senate needs sustained section not go away for August recess when the odds of that happening. Well I say. Have last year Mitch McConnell did delay the fat or at least asked for two weeks he actually cut back delayed by weeks and actually had a big a week. I think there is a sense of frustration that Republicans are sensing from their editors that they aren't getting things done. So to the extent that they can show that they are in Washington that they are passing pieces that Trump's attack that they are confirming his nominees that I have the backlog in the planet. Back could be a benefit but at the same time there are people who wanna go back home and campaign. Nobody wants to be in DC in August. But the fact is the other complicating factor is that. There is the government finding issue that we're gonna face every September and he had the president made it very clear earlier this year I've never signing up massive omnibus spending bill like this again and he very reluctantly signed up one point three trillion dollar measure nice try to get some money back he's trying to get some of that money back he is also insisting that some are more money for the port along the end. What ever package that have to be September and that is a classic recipe for a shut down. But if if but the the reason that you have to stay in your research can be a tactic that actually try to get that finding. But it worked on had a time but. We noticed congress an average unit when it my business. I. Silly and you said the media's not picking up on what the coalition is saying is the president tapping into the coalition saying absolutely I mean you look at some of the things that he's given back to them at least from their point of view. I look at the tax reform now a lot of people you know it a lot of in Washington. It especially among the Democrats that is. The essar storyline was it's just crimes but people you know outside of the beltway you know an extra hundred bucks and you're an a paycheck every two weeks. Bet that pays for stuff you know Vienna it at the end of 45 months it's a nice vacation with your family. So you attach a form is very important to them and in terms of religious freedom and in trying to inventory. You know with. Corsets that was also incredibly important to them how he's negotiated and got to the point where he is with North Korea absolutely. You know their happy with what he has accomplished. Now to Dan's point he's absolutely right they always like is compartment to rallies like the way he says things. But they're seeing results and they see it impacting their lives in their communities and their families. And they think that is a good thing. Then it bike. Bloomberg form our New York gave a commencement speech yesterday where he said the country's facing an epidemic of dis honesty and he called upon a serious dangers facing our democracy. Well written about about truth. I have written it about that I mean we're we're in a moment and others have defined it this way and it in a post truth Erica. In which we can't agree on facts and we have a president of the United States who deals in fall so it's. We've seen that over and over again. And I think that it is created. Corrosive effect. Both on the bid on them. You know on the democratic process but also on them on the relationships among people who wore in other ways. Looking for ways in which we can solve some problems so it's the environment that has been created and Donald Trump's not the sole reason for this. The environment that we're in and it has been created. Has left its at a point where we can't get things done. 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